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27 Mar 2014, 6:10 pm

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My follow up would be that nowhere is really free of pollution. It's captured in the ice of Greenland for example.


Well here is a fun one. If pollution is everywhere, and everyone is getting vaccinated or whatever. Then everyone should be autistic. How would it be any different than a whole family getting led poisoning from a led water pipe?

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27 Mar 2014, 7:54 pm

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I also think we may have been purposefully interbred into populatiions due to qualitive issues a very long time ago.


I don't why but this rings true, and piques my interest, tell me more please!



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27 Mar 2014, 8:33 pm

yournamehere wrote:
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My follow up would be that nowhere is really free of pollution. It's captured in the ice of Greenland for example.


Well here is a fun one. If pollution is everywhere, and everyone is getting vaccinated or whatever. Then everyone should be autistic. How would it be any different than a whole family getting led poisoning from a led water pipe?

The brain is a mysterious thing. Just be thankful you have one.

Not at all. Everyone is exposed to radiation, but not everyone gets cancer.



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27 Mar 2014, 9:21 pm

"Autism appears to be strongly correlated with rate of congenital malformations of the genitals in males across the country. This gives an indicator of environmental load and the effect is surprisingly strong”

Excerpt taken from the OP's link ^...

So there's supposed to be something wrong with my junk? I'm slightly confused... Are they saying what I just said or are they saying that guys with dodgy nads are more likely to have an autism nut into their partner?


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27 Mar 2014, 9:31 pm

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yournamehere wrote:
I also think we may have been purposefully interbred into populatiions due to qualitive issues a very long time ago.


I don't why but this rings true, and piques my interest, tell me more please!


O.k. here is a stupid guess. The surname of my last name is germanic. It is 500 to 1500 years BC old. The people with this last name helped make the countries in northern europe, and has royal crests from 4 different countries that I know of. I am autistic. I have qualitive issues that cannot be denied. It is known to be hereditary. The other side of my family is very old american. Some of these people founded certain areas of the eastern territories. A british lord in particular. A few were the first to do some things here. Lets just say the founding fathers were different. They invented new government. The really fun part is the fact that my family is really poor. For some reason being rich is not of major importance. Soo, either I am at least somewhat right, or blowing things way out of proportion.



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27 Mar 2014, 9:41 pm

Ooh, I left something else out. People have also been known especially in hierarchies, to breed good genetics a long time ago. My family is long lived. I have strong straight teeth, and strong bones. I am tall, thin, and muscular. My metabolism is high, I do not wear glasses, and I am an excellent fencer.

That should do it.



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27 Mar 2014, 11:22 pm

yournamehere wrote:
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yournamehere wrote:
I also think we may have been purposefully interbred into populatiions due to qualitive issues a very long time ago.


I don't why but this rings true, and piques my interest, tell me more please!


O.k. here is a stupid guess. The surname of my last name is germanic. It is 500 to 1500 years BC old. The people with this last name helped make the countries in northern europe, and has royal crests from 4 different countries that I know of. I am autistic. I have qualitive issues that cannot be denied. It is known to be hereditary. The other side of my family is very old american. Some of these people founded certain areas of the eastern territories. A british lord in particular. A few were the first to do some things here. Lets just say the founding fathers were different. They invented new government. The really fun part is the fact that my family is really poor. For some reason being rich is not of major importance. Soo, either I am at least somewhat right, or blowing things way out of proportion.


Interesting. I think you are on to something. My ancestors were early American settlers on both sides of the family. My dad's side has lived in the same rural community ever since the late 1700s, but originally settled here earlier than that. Mom's side of the family also settled here earlier but moved around a bit more. My ancestry is mostly English, Irish and Scottish on both sides of the family. I read a brief description of my dad's side of the family from the 1800's that sounded like they were autistic. I feel like I must have a strain of genetics that is a throwback to something very old, and probably would have been bred out if the family hadn't been so rooted to one place. My family is poor too. I am totally intrigued now.



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28 Mar 2014, 7:52 am

Go figure???? These people left their country, in a ship that went half way around the world, to get away from the "normal" population, with virtually nothing. To arrive at a point that had virtually no people. Two major kinds of people settled here. Those that wanted to get away, and those who needed to run away. Autistics fit some of those catagories pritty good.



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28 Mar 2014, 8:44 am

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Go figure???? These people left their country, in a ship that went half way around the world, to get away from the "normal" population, with virtually nothing. To arrive at a point that had virtually no people. Two major kinds of people settled here. Those that wanted to get away, and those who needed to run away. Autistics fit some of those catagories pritty good.


If you really think that, then I think you need to read up on the social conditions, religious persecution and separatism and enforced land dispossession that led to much of the colonisation drive out of Europe.

Here are some useful summaries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Clearances
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Iris ... Emigration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... th_America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servant

I'm sure there were Aspies among the emigrants, but this was a mass movement of people, enforced socially, economically or at weapon-point (sometimes all three).

I'm not convinced you and Dianthus are on to much more than the already-existing knowledge that some Aspies are able to think outside the box and come up with new ideas. As for the rest, I think you are extrapolating too far from limited data.

I'm unconvinced of the pollution explanation, but I'm even less convinced of your position.


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28 Mar 2014, 9:28 am

ToJaFro wrote:
"Autism appears to be strongly correlated with rate of congenital malformations of the genitals in males across the country. This gives an indicator of environmental load and the effect is surprisingly strong”

Excerpt taken from the OP's link ^...

So there's supposed to be something wrong with my junk? I'm slightly confused... Are they saying what I just said or are they saying that guys with dodgy nads are more likely to have an autism nut into their partner?


They aren't saying either of the bolded things. What they are saying is that an increased number of baby boys with genital malformations means that there is a lot of pollution around there and their parents were exposed to it. They also found that in the same areas, there was an increased number of babies born with autism. They are therorizing that the pollution is causing both things: the genital malformations and the autism, but not in the same babies. The pollution is causing different things for different babies, sometimes genital malformations but more often (they think) autism.



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29 Mar 2014, 7:56 am

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yournamehere wrote:
Go figure???? These people left their country, in a ship that went half way around the world, to get away from the "normal" population, with virtually nothing. To arrive at a point that had virtually no people. Two major kinds of people settled here. Those that wanted to get away, and those who needed to run away. Autistics fit some of those catagories pritty good.


If you really think that, then I think you need to read up on the social conditions, religious persecution and separatism and enforced land dispossession that led to much of the colonisation drive out of Europe.

Here are some useful summaries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Clearances
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Iris ... Emigration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... th_America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servant

I'm sure there were Aspies among the emigrants, but this was a mass movement of people, enforced socially, economically or at weapon-point (sometimes all three).

I'm not convinced you and Dianthus are on to much more than the already-existing knowledge that some Aspies are able to think outside the box and come up with new ideas. As for the rest, I think you are extrapolating too far from limited data.

I'm unconvinced of the pollution explanation, but I'm even less convinced of your position.


Yes. Quite a few of my decendants came here this way. Some have been here longer than all of that. Some of them were already here. Some were wealthy dukes, and lords that wanted to make their claim. The last migrant in my family was a stowaway. He fled from war. Alot of people who came here were not colony type migrants. They were alone. There always were alot of loaners in this country. I have family members who are into genealogy, and there are quite a few people they cannot find history on past themselves. Most are of southern decent from during, and just before the civil war. I have a shaving mug from my great, great, great, grandfather. It is our oldest family heirloom. Nobody knows where the heck he came from. Some geneology is lost from the revolution. Like the french, an british who fled, and lived with the indians farther inland (french american and french canadian indians). The southern black, white, indian types in the family are very difficult to track down (Abraham Lincoln was more or less one of those).There was also alot of name changing too. For instance. Having a name attatched to someone in the Jesse James gang, was not exactly a household name. I looks as if most nomadic type people we cannot find history on in my family lived south, and south west. (Rednecks?). Don't know if this has anything to do with anything either, but I'm about 1/4 dutch. Most of me is german and dutch. The rest is home grown american mut!

If you think autism comes from our environment, than everyone is gonna get it.
I know an entire family who has OCD. It is genetic, autism is not much different in that respect.



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29 Mar 2014, 9:52 am

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If you think autism comes from our environment, than everyone is gonna get it.
I know an entire family who has OCD. It is genetic, autism is not much different in that respect.


Oh, I agree it's genetic. I just think you are making too much of the notion that the Americas were colonised disproportionately by Aspies. It ignores too many of the broader forces driving colonisation.


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30 Mar 2014, 8:26 am

O.k. agreed. People did come here for alot of different reasons though, and of course more NT's came here in ships packed with hundreds of them, like groupies, because that is what they do. :lol: