Why I think aspergers should not be on the autism spectrum

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05 Apr 2014, 6:36 pm

I wouldn't say drooling is prominent enough a symptom that he has to say Yes, some Autistics drool, but I'm far enough away on this huge spectrum that I don't do it.

Forget the f**** drooling, it's not what being an aspie is about, tell them that! :) :D



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05 Apr 2014, 6:37 pm

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I am 15 years old and I have Asperger's Syndrome which has it advantages I can read and understand vocabulary up to a 12th grade and I am "gifted" in some ways I have some disadvantages as well though such Anxiety, Depression, and some bad social skills or just seeming awkward. But when I am out in the public and I say I have asperger's people seem to not have the slightest clue to what it is. They will often look at me for a second and say stuff like "Does that mean your ret*d?" or "do you wring or flap your hands?" It seems like people are not aware on what aspergers is and it is frustrating. As a person with aspergers I feel like I am stereotyped as stupid or "slow" and people tend to expect very little of me or just choose not to socialize with me. I also hate how aspergers is referred to as "High Funtioning Autism" now because most of people my age I am around picture autism as drooling and not being able to speak ( that is only low funtioning autism) and since the label includes the word "Autism" it seems like people assume that I am like that or close to being like that when that is not true. I really wish today's youth would be able to accurately tell the difference between autism and aspergers and it makes me angry when people can't. :? :evil:


There is no difference between Asperger Syndrome and Autism. There never was any difference, even in the diagnostic criteria, except for a speech delay in early childhood, and that was such a minor distinction that Asperger Syndrome is falling out of use as a diagnosis anymore, because it's just another word for High Functioning Autism.

Every type of ASD on the spectrum is rooted in one essential issue: Sensory Hypersensitivity. I notice a lot of Aspies like to think of their disorder as being exclusively social, but it isn't. All those social impairments are the direct result of having a brain that is so busy juggling the flood of incoming sensory data, that it can't sort all that out and still keep up with nonverbal social signals as well. Latest research is proving that the Autistic Brain (including Aspies and HFAs) has more neural sensory receptors than an NT brain does. Your condition is essentially no different than that of someone with Classic Autism, except that you have more sophisticated coping mechanisms for dealing with it. You look more composed on the outside, but what's happening in your brain is exactly the same.

I am all too aware of just how ignorant the general public is on autism - before my diagnosis, I was almost as clueless myself - I sorta had an idea what it was, but nothing specific, because I just hadn't given it much thought (though the first time I saw autistic children on TV, I knew immediately what they were experiencing, because I had been stimming all my life).

Honestly, i don't know why you would WANT to tell people about your condition, not because it's something shameful, it certainly isn't - but because A) Few people know what it is, and B) Those who DO have some idea, tend to make all sorts of negative assumptions about you, based on stereotypes they've picked up in the media.

In the US, the News Media continually pronounces it "Ass Burgers Syndrome" and associates it with violent psychopaths, so telling people is a very risky thing to do socially. :roll:


Can you direct me to the latest research that proves the Autistic Brain is based on sensory hypersensitivity?



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05 Apr 2014, 6:40 pm

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In the US, the News Media continually pronounces it "Ass Burgers Syndrome" and associates it with violent psychopaths, so telling people is a very risky thing to do socially. :roll:


How should it be pronounced, then? In my experience, it's not just the news media that say "Ass-burgers." It's pretty much everyone: professionals and laypersons in the field, the public, people with Aspergers themselves...

I find it ironic that a population of people who are highly subject to bullying and easily targeted as victims in general are saddled with a name like "Aspergers" (no offense to Hans Asperger--bless him--whose name is probably neutral in German).

I think this is part of the reason I prefer to just refer to my diagnosis as being on the "autism spectrum." It sounds slightly better than being a BUTT-SANDWICH though AUTISM is a problematic word in itself since, as the OP stated, it conjures up some highly inaccurate and outdated images in uninformed folks' minds.

I think we need to come up with a new name all together!! Shall I put that out there and see what we can come up with??

**my apologies for being off the original topic**


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05 Apr 2014, 6:50 pm

Capri0112, you had me laughing so hard!! !


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05 Apr 2014, 7:04 pm

capri0112 wrote:
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In the US, the News Media continually pronounces it "Ass Burgers Syndrome" and associates it with violent psychopaths, so telling people is a very risky thing to do socially. :roll:


How should it be pronounced, then? In my experience, it's not just the news media that say "Ass-burgers." It's pretty much everyone: professionals and laypersons in the field, the public, people with Aspergers themselves...

I find it ironic that a population of people who are highly subject to bullying and easily targeted as victims in general are saddled with a name like "Aspergers" (no offense to Hans Asperger--bless him--whose name is probably neutral in German).

I think this is part of the reason I prefer to just refer to my diagnosis as being on the "autism spectrum." It sounds slightly better than being a BUTT-SANDWICH though AUTISM is a problematic word in itself since, as the OP stated, it conjures up some highly inaccurate and outdated images in uninformed folks' minds.

I think we need to come up with a new name all together!! Shall I put that out there and see what we can come up with??

**my apologies for being off the original topic**



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05 Apr 2014, 7:29 pm

There isn't a difference between autism and aspergers.


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05 Apr 2014, 9:39 pm

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There isn't a difference between autism and aspergers.



I disagree it seems like people with autism can't really accept any criticism and they will just yell at you that is one thing i have noticed



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05 Apr 2014, 10:07 pm

Not so. I didn't yell at you. Please don't do this global generalisation stuff!



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05 Apr 2014, 10:17 pm

Heisenburg98 wrote:
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There isn't a difference between autism and aspergers.



I disagree it seems like people with autism can't really accept any criticism and they will just yell at you that is one thing i have noticed


No one here yelled at you, and you didn't offer up anything that could remotely be interpreted as criticism.

AS is autism. Anything else is denial.

Think about why you are so concerned about being viewed as "ret*d" but apparently don't see the problem with how that word and concept is applied to other more obviously autistic people.

This sounds like you're upset because people don't view you as "better" than other autistic people, and that's the wrong path.



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06 Apr 2014, 12:04 am

There is an old thread titled Aspie Elitism which covered a lot of ground regarding the separatist attitude (to which I don't subscribe).

OP, could you please explain a bit more clearly where you think the cut-off points should be between you and those you consider to be "autistic"?



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06 Apr 2014, 12:11 am

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now because most of people my age I am around picture autism as drooling and not being able to speak ( that is only low funtioning autism) and since the label includes the word "Autism" it seems like people assume that I am like that or close to being like that when that is not true. I really wish today's youth would be able to accurately tell the difference between autism and aspergers and it makes me angry when people can't.

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before trying to make a point about being the victim of other peoples ignorance it helps not to be just as ignorant and stereotypical as them about other people on the spectrum,those of us who are low functioning autistic are not droolers nor does it mean we automaticaly cannot speak at all,communication is only one part of autistic functioning.
we arent 'ret*d' either,we usualy have some level of intelectual disability though.

drooling is never caused by low functioning autism,but it can be caused by comorbid PMLD or over medication.


I never said that is what I think it seems like that's what other people my age think


Um, actually you did say exactly that.

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I also hate how aspergers is referred to as "High Funtioning Autism" now because most of people my age I am around picture autism as drooling and not being able to speak ( that is only low funtioning autism)


They picture autism as drooling and not being able to speak, but you think that applies is only low funtioning autism.

Your augment is an epic FAIL.



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06 Apr 2014, 1:01 am

double post.


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06 Apr 2014, 1:02 am

Heisenburg98 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
There isn't a difference between autism and aspergers.



I disagree it seems like people with autism can't really accept any criticism and they will just yell at you that is one thing i have noticed


Aspergers is autism..., and some people in general without autism can't accept any criticizm....I myself have difficulties dealing with it, but typically more if its super harsh criticizm I've sort of gradually learned to think about what someone is criticizing before over-reacting instead of assuming they are being insulting but I still can take things personally even though I make the effort not to. I specifically got diagnosed with aspergers and still have troubles with too much criticizm and taking stuff personally so I don't think its something people with 'aspergers' are immune to and a trait of lower functioning autism. Also not so sure its so much of an autism trait or more of a trait people on the spectrum who also have depression have and its more caused by the depression.


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06 Apr 2014, 1:55 am

Interesting. I should thank my psychs (who diagnosed me) that they gave me the ugly PDD-NOS label after all... I so hated it! :D :P (Before someone starts stereotyping: I have enough SIs and RRBs).

There's no Asperger's Syndrome in the new DSM any more, so no need to worry about the different labels of the spectrum.

If someone doesn't understand what being autistic means, you can always explain them (education is always welcome).

I don't subscribe to Aspie-Elitism either.



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06 Apr 2014, 2:39 am

It seems like you're upset that the neurological condition you've been diagnosed with is, at its base level, the same condition as those who are unable to function as well as you are.

Would it surprise you to know that there are those with the same condiion who I'm sure are higher functioning and more intelligent than you are?
Should they be upset at having the same condition as someone like you who doesn't function as well and isn't as intelligent? :roll:

Your assertion is not based on science but on a wish not to be subject to the unfortunate prejudices & stereotypes of ignorant people.
You're objecting to the terminology because of the unfair stigma & untrue negative steroeotypes associated with it, while not objecting to that stigma & those stereotypes being applied to others just as unfairly and falsely.

Instead of childishly wishing that the burden of those untruths fall upon others who you deem worthy of such disdain, stand up for yourself all others like you, whatever their level of functioning & intellectual ability, by repudiating those stereotypes & proudly pointing out that autistics can't be pinned down to a simple stereotype and that anyone who does so looks ridiculous, narrow minded, and extremely ignorant.

If you dislike what people think about your condition, our condition, then help change the perception of it, one person at a time if necessary.
Don't try to distance yourself rom it by calling it anything other than what it is.
Asperger's syndrome is a form a hgh functioning autism.
The only difference, even in the dsm-iv criteria was the lack of significant speech or cognitive delay or impairment.
That's a highly artificial and completely unnecessary distinction really, and only indicates the bias & politics of the scientists involved in defining the conditions than any real logical division based on standard procedure for defining disorders.
For instance, there's no distinction made between schizophrenia with or without speech or cognitive issues.

Please don't think that I'm trying to yell at you about this.
It's just that it seems to me like you're making an unfortunate mistake and I think that you're intelligent enough to understand that and correct it in a way which would not only be productive but also make you feel better about yourself despite the ignorance of many of your peers.



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06 Apr 2014, 9:14 am

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Interesting. I should thank my psychs (who diagnosed me) that they gave me the ugly PDD-NOS label after all... I so hated it! :D :P (Before someone starts stereotyping: I have enough SIs and RRBs).

There's no Asperger's Syndrome in the new DSM any more, so no need to worry about the different labels of the spectrum.

If someone doesn't understand what being autistic means, you can always explain them (education is always welcome).

I don't subscribe to Aspie-Elitism either.

it depends on the country as not every country uses the DSM manual; many in europe such as the UK use the ICD manual which still has the old way of thinking but with next years edition they are thinking of copying the DSMs example.

aspergers is autism,classic autism is autism, PDDNOS is autism,CDD is autism...and there are many conditions that often have autism attached such as FASD or rett syndrome which our old member;kassiene sibbley/the rett devil has.
its all the same sht but a very varied spectrum and every one presents it differently,if lorna wing was able to see that back in the seventies then surely people post millenium can see that now.


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