Who has is harder: aspies or NLDers?

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It is case-by-case ting also. But te topic is rather about "general truth".

I wrote my "mature" Math exam really good, liked maps and video/computer games despite my general verbal thinking style. I do not have more marked scholastic issues associated with NLD profile. But I suppose that in America I would be diagnosed as just NLDer, not with AS(D)/PDD. I have rather flexible mind, do not like schedules, I am not "overinterested" in sameness. I think that "NLD profile" is something other than having nonverbal learning disorders (which are obvious scholastic problems). I think that "special interests" are not NLD traits and overlap between NLD and aspieness is "overestimated". People with learning disorders should not have scholastic skills as teir main strengths (I have).

I think that many "NLDers" should (or even have to) be (re)named as Aspies/PDDers, not just as people with learning problems. Someone can have NLD without marked "social ineptitude", especially in childhood. NLD can be a large problem even without Aspergerism. The term NLD is obviously misused in my opinion, which makes large confusion. I read about people with AS diagnosis who are married or even have children. "Classic" Asperger's is disorder from mildest end of childhood autism spectrum. Other forms of Aspiedom may be nottrelated to the syndrome described by Leo Kanner at all. I would name this syndromes as forms of Asperger's also. They may be "undernamed" as "social NLD", "social learning disability", "socio-emotional learning disorder", "social communication disorder". "Obsessive", atypical interests in childhood are clearly Aspergian trait for me. Someone with (especially milder) "classical" forms of Aspergerism is not "sentenced" to be less functioning than someone with "nonclassical" forms of it. It looks quite clearly for me that I have a nonclassical form of Aspieness, I was diagnosed with Asperger's and schizotypal disorder (earlier with OCD instead of it). I may be unable to be married. I do not want to live without family and I am afraid of it. I may have concentration and attention deficit disorders. My family is not so helpful in my problems. I probably have cognitive profile of "nonverbal learning disability". I have not excellent visual thinking and photographic memory. I am rather a verbal thinker. I think that people like I have types of "pervasive developmental disorders" which are not (so) well recognised. I think that the diagnosis of just "nonverbal learning disorder" and "emotional problems" would be obvious understatement in my case. It might lead to ignorance of my problems. People with so-called "NLDs" may have problems because of bad and misleading name of their sort of "aucorigia" (developmental condition characterised by autocontrast (uneven development - especially poor socio-emotional skills and anomalies in that area despite good intellectual skills) and originality (bizarrity, strangeness, being "odd")).

A post from the page: http://thepreemieexperiment.blogspot.com/2007/11/nonverbal-learning-disorder.html

One of the things that I've noticed with my daughter also, is that while she is able to read well, inference is a challenge. In addition, when it came to math - adding up rows of number was/is extremely difficult - she doesn't get the lining up of numbers to correctly add them. This apparently is pretty typical of kids with NLD.

Organization in general is a huge issue at our house. She cannot get the concept of organizing her things - preparing in advance, time management - these things just escape her. She (at 21) is like a tornado going through the house. My daughter has also received a diagnosis of Aspergers, although if I were to choose between the AS and NLD dx, the NLD is much more impactful, as it permeates such a large portion of her life skills. I do not foresee her being able to live independently. It would be nice if there were an "assisted living" arrangement for adult kids with her abilities/disabilities - she is able to drive, attend school (part-time) or work (part-time), but being able to handle life and all that it entails full-time, even with her high intelligence, is just not going to happen. She still has frequent melt-downs and is easily overwhelmed.

And she is one of those who definitely slips through the cracks due to her intelligence. She talks a good talk - literally! She sounds wonderful one on one. We have been warned by neuropsych that people will have the tendency to overestimate her abilities due to her intelligence which will cause her stress and lead to increased mental health issues. We've seen it with school personnel, who are clueless, we've seen it with social services (she did not qualify until adulthood).

As I've said previously - it's a fine line between encouraging her and holding her back so as not to overwhelm her. She is of the mindset that she will be getting married, having children (part of that pesky right-brained unawares.) One of the books I had read on NLD initially said that many "street people" have NLD. They are easily victimized due to their literalness, lack of street smarts, gullibility. Not comforting, I know, but living with her, I certainly can see how this could happen without appropriate supports and a family that understands this mindset (sort of).

In this article "NLD" appears to be named as worse than AS, although NLD is not classified as PDD/ASD. The picture of NLD from this text is "serious" - it looks for me as a pervasive, serious and complex developmental disability, not a specific developmental disability. NLD was associated here not only with serious problems with mathematics, but also with bad organisational skills, being naive and gullible.

I may suppose that NVLDers have harder life because of approach to their problems... Their condition is called just a learning disability instead of pervasive developmental disorder. For me it is unfair.

In terms of making friends/social skills, Aspergers.

In terms of a career, NVLD simply because such a large portion of the good jobs today require nonverbal skills.

I have both...it sucks ass.

I suppose that NVLDers can have tougher life because of the name of their conditions. NVLD can be worse than at least mild ASD. For me many NVLD cases are cases of PDD. I think that NVLD could allow a person to life on Social Security Insurance money. So-called NVLD can be really limiting occupationally and socially.

I have both, and NLD is awful. Can't do math, which kept me from going to a better college since I couldn't pass college algebra; struggle with reading comprehension, which prevents me from being a more well-rounded editor; have absolutely no sense of direction, so if the GPS is wrong, I will be up a creek without a paddle; can't memorize things worth s**t, no matter how much I study (except things relating to my special interests)...I could go on and on. NLD is an absolute b***h.

Wow...I didn't realize NVLD could be that bad. No offense. I passed College Algebra, but I've never even attempted math higher than that (took Trigonometry my senior year of high school...never done Calculus). I especially struggled with Geometry.....makes absolutely no sense to me.

Ever look at a list of Top 10 highest-paying college majors? Yep...they're all something an NVLD person can't do. Ever look at the list of Top 10 lowest-paying majors? Yep...they're the things we major in

Screw is one disability or condition worse then the other comparisons. Yes some are worse than others, but not only is it a waste of energy to compare, it creates negative energy.

I think that everybody has their cross to bare no matter what their neurotype is.

Poor self-help skills is part of (classical) autism, not of Asperger's. In fact, an absence of problem with self-help skills is required for diagnosis of Asperger's under the DSM-IV.