14 May 2014, 9:09 pm
daydreamer84
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15 May 2014, 8:37 am
daydreamer84 wrote:
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I think Marybird's TOM examples are good, especially the one about noticing when people are bored with what you're saying. Being naive because of lack of TOM could cause that kind that thing and often does.
Some more: Are you a good storyteller or do you give too many extraneous details or not give enough context or get to the point so people don't understand what you've told them? Are you a good teacher/explainer? Not do you like to explain things but are you good at it or do you assume the person knows things they don't and use too much jargon without explaining it? Do people say you give too much or not enough information often?
re: the original question, social deficits in ASD:
Can you hold a back and forth conversation, saying something , pausing to let the other person talk, listening and replying to them by saying something relevant and appropriate?
Do people say you have an odd tone of voice and imitate and make fun of your voice (maybe family) or say you have strange, awkward body language or facial expressions or are flat and aloof in your expression?
Do you miss non-verbal cues? Of course you might not always be aware of that. Do others say "X looked/ was very nervous, bored etc." and you completely missed it and have no idea how they know that?
Do people get angry or annoyed with you a lot and you don't know why?
Then there are other aspects of ASD besides TOM deficits and social deficits, of-course .
I think Marybird's TOM examples are good, especially the one about noticing when people are bored with what you're saying. Being naive because of lack of TOM could cause that kind that thing and often does.
Some more: Are you a good storyteller or do you give too many extraneous details or not give enough context or get to the point so people don't understand what you've told them? Are you a good teacher/explainer? Not do you like to explain things but are you good at it or do you assume the person knows things they don't and use too much jargon without explaining it? Do people say you give too much or not enough information often?
re: the original question, social deficits in ASD:
Can you hold a back and forth conversation, saying something , pausing to let the other person talk, listening and replying to them by saying something relevant and appropriate?
Do people say you have an odd tone of voice and imitate and make fun of your voice (maybe family) or say you have strange, awkward body language or facial expressions or are flat and aloof in your expression?
Do you miss non-verbal cues? Of course you might not always be aware of that. Do others say "X looked/ was very nervous, bored etc." and you completely missed it and have no idea how they know that?
Do people get angry or annoyed with you a lot and you don't know why?
Then there are other aspects of ASD besides TOM deficits and social deficits, of-course .
Yes I can hold a conversation fine, but I have a lot of "awkward silences" when I'm talking to new people. No to the rest of the questions. Also re Marybird's question, I sometimes initiate conversations but mostly I wait for others to talk to me first. I assumed this was just a symptom of shyness.
15 May 2014, 8:43 am
15 May 2014, 9:39 pm
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16 May 2014, 5:38 am
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16 May 2014, 6:10 am
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Dreycrux wrote:
People calling themselves asspurgers is so last generation.
We are ASD now...sounds so much better.
We are ASD now...sounds so much better.
No it doesn't. And it has nothing to do and should not be pronounced as "ass" anytime. I still see it often used even in the USA media as a Antidotel evidence here is that people in the areas covered by the DSM 5 are still being unofficially diagnosed by experts as Aspergers. You have no right to tell anyone how they will identify themselves. They will or they won't use the old official diagnosis now colloquial term (still official diagnosis in those locations using ICD-10 manual). By your logic we should stop using High Functioning Autism because it was NEVER AN OFFICIAL DIAGNOSIS and always has been colloquial terminology (There are legitimate reasons to stop using functioning labels. The DSM and the insurance companies that seemingly decide what is a diagnosis is, has nothing to do with those reasons).
agreed,though some autistics;aspies in specific have self deprecative humour and dont mind using the term 'assburgers' but at the same time its got some connotations associated and does piss off a lot of aspies-so with that in mind it shoudnt be used on a public ASD site unless to describe their own self if want to show any respect to fellow users in own view.
a lot of american WPers;where the DSM is used dont realise or have repressed the fact that there are DSM and ICD differences in ASD criteria because they hate the word 'aspergers'.
although not quite the same am diagnosed under different criterias for the UK definition of learning disability so have both mental retardation
and LD on records even though they mean the same disability but one is profoundly offensive and completely the wrong description.
17 May 2014, 12:35 pm
