28% of murderers thought to have suffered from ASD

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The problem is that there is alot of intersection between NPD and autism. There is also intersection between ASPD and autism.These murderers could in fact be pyschopathic narcissists with OCD tendencies as opposed to aspies. What im getting at is that we are trying to retroactively diagnose people with disorders based on case notes the comprehensiveness and veracity of which is potentially dubious.

A combination of NPD psychopathy and OCD would look a fair bit like autism when seen through the perspective of second hand notes. I think that its too premature to be publishing incendiary stuff like this.

This is incredibly distressing. I do not know if the results of this research are accurate or not. Either way, it does not bode well for the Autistic community.

If it is true, in my opinion, all it really proves is that all people, including Autistics, can have a point where they snap. If these statistics are valid, I take it as more evidence that Autistics should stop being pushed to deny who they are and coerced into acting NT. I take it as more evidence that excluding,bullying, and demonizing people can sometimes destroy them. I take it as more evidence that members of a group with a rate of sexual abuse committed against them of 96%, could be driven to eventually commit unimaginable horror themselves. I take it as evidence that if an individual is treated by society as "less than" that some of them in fact could become that. I take it as evidence that loneliness can drive a person insane, every bit as much as a total lack of respect for people who need, and never receive a break from relentless, tortorous sensory overstimulation.

I am so sickened by people who stab a person in the heart and then become angry when that individual bleeds on their clean floor.

[sarcasm]Really?? Being isolated, and frustrated for decades, in combination with a complete and utter lack of competent support, when stacked with an abusive background, can possibly predispose someone to become a killer??

Really?? WHAT NEWS!! ! [/sarcasm]

Because that's what the article says. Actually.

What is unfortunate is that a lot of people, even intelligent people, will skim the article, have an emotional reaction, and take away from it, "People with ASD are murderers."

Because, well, "People are stupid. They will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true."

5 Aspie fantasy geek points to the first person to correctly identify the quote. Author and book, please. Two bonus points if you can name the series, too.

Can crap like this lead to genocide?? YES. That's that wonderful old human nature at work. WILL it?? Dunno. Human nature has its good points, too.

The uncertainty drives me batty.

So the majority of murderers don't have ASDs? Yey!

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Pieces like this are what gives Aspies a bad name. It seems that the cause of anything negative can be traced to autism. This is just another example of how society demonizes Aspies. There are very few stories of Aspies/HFAs who are successful and have improved society.

[Iquote="wblastyn"]So the majority of murderers don't have ASDs? Yey![/quote]

If you look at the percentages, c'mon. you know that's not what that means. Maybe it is true. Maybe it is not. One thing I do know, society should not demonize innocent people and not expect consequences.

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Another way of looking at it is that ASDs as a whole are discriminated against and bullied far more then NTs are just because we are different. Perhaps it is this bullying and isolation forced upon ASDs that cause some to snap. Not the condition itself. I will bet if you dig into the childhood of some of these supposed mass murderers with ASD, that they had an awful childhood and were bullied to the point of insanity. From what the medical literature shows, ASDs as a whole are pretty much non-violent from what I have read.

Here is the actual study:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 8914000305

Note that they do not actually directly examine and diagnose these people with autism. They identify possible traits that could be considered autistic, and a large number of these "diagnoses" (they're not diagnoses) are post-mortem.

Existing research does not support a link between autism and violent crime and this is pointed out in the study.

The only thing this study proves is that people love to pretend that murderers are insane, and love to label them with every diagnosis under the sun, including autism.

If they had limited it to pre-existing autism diagnosis, there would be no increased rate.

As it is, the only thing they can prove is, "When someone kills people, other people (especially journalists and defense laywers) like to say that the killer is autistic." Yeah, that's true; people do that. It has no basis in truth, but they do it.

It's really bad science to imply that there's an autism/murder connection just because murderers get labeled autistic. It's as bad as making up statistics.

Here's a statistic that isn't made up: Autistic people are still several times more likely to be murder victims than non-autistic people. Even among disabled people, autistic people are unusually vulnerable. According to at least one study I've read, the majority of disabled children killed by their parents are autistic. (Even if that study had an unusually high number by chance, it would still have to be close to half. Autistic kids make wonderful punching bags for the sociopathic parents of the world, apparently.)

This means we need to protect each other, especially the little ones. It means we need to have the guts to speak up when things aren't right. And this isn't right. It's bad science, and it's going to hurt people.