Frustrated with NTs, need aspie opinion on ethical issue

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To those of you who care about animals rights issues: I love you

Even if you get your meat from farms which treat their animals better you are still paying for them to kill the animal. When you pay for their milk and eggs you still pay for their slavery and encourage slaughter of the males. We would not do these things to humans. Why do it to animals when we don?t need to? We are natural omnivores but as many nutritionists will tell you a vegan diet is complete and healthy (much healthier than the average if done right.) Animals feel pain just like humans do why not spare them unnecessary pain?
We are natural omnivores, we are natural warriors and genocidal maniacs, we are natural bigots, we are natural sexists, we are natural thieves etc. We are naturally many ugly things. They helped us survive in the jungle (and improve our species by weeding out the weak). These ugly instincts and predispositions are still in our genes but we have tamed our nature for the sake of morality. All human rights are an artificial fabrication and have no basis in human nature. Cruelty and hate are as much a part of human nature as love for our own. We rightly have given up on nature for the sake of morality. Many people have been healthy without animal products and dieticians confirm this. Then we can spare torment, slavery and death of sentient beings without losing anything other than variety in taste and convenience. We ought to give up animal products for the sake of morality.

I am also interested in what you think about eating dogs and cats rather than cows and chickens.

@Shadi2, Why don?t you get started with a book about vegetarian diets? It isn?t hard to get the necessary nutrients.

@Skilpadde, I do not expect you to become vegan because you like my campaign, I expect you to become informed about the effect your actions have on sentient beings and choose to treat them with respect and consideration regardless of what I say.

@Normy, if you do not buy the chicken and it is thrown out then the store will buy less chickens to make up for smaller demand which will translate to fewer chickens being enslaved and killed in the future. If you stop consuming animals products the companies involved will have lower demand and lower profits and if they have to take that into consideration if they wish to minimize waste (which every business does). Objectively nothing is morally wrong or right. Nature is poor substitute for morality. Naturally we are vicious as the strongest predator. That does not mean it is moral. I cannot compromise my morality, I want everyone to follow it. Whether or not we are socially active is not a moral issue. Whether or not we enslave torture and kill sentient beings is a moral issue.

@SquidinHostBody,
?The practice [factory farming] is widespread in developed nations. According to the Worldwatch Institute, as of 2006 74 percent of the world's poultry, 43 percent of beef, 50 percent of pork, and 68 percent of eggs were produced this way.?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming

@EzraS,
I did not say this is an NT thing. I said: so far I have only had experience with NTs on this issue, given that the great majority of the people I know are NTs. I was curious if being an aspie would prove any different on this issue. I am sure there are many NTs who care about animals rights, I have met them. But the vast majority of them don?t. Since my sample size of aspies in real life is tiny, I was curious to see what it is like with them. In another thread I heard many aspies say they love animals and that they feel a greater connection with them. It is a valid hypothesis that they may feel different (on average) about animals rights issues than NTs.

@einsteinmyhero,
Can you cite the proof please?

Stop involving NT's in your rants. Everyone is different and you're just expressing your narrow minded tendencies when you're including a whole group that functions differently. Stop it.

Video was pretty disgusting, and while I'd rather there was no suffering between the farm and my belly I like meat, I like cheap, and porkchops don't grow on trees. I actually find Tofu, Quorn, and rabbit food more repulsive than all the combined horrors of the video.

Have I ever killed my own dinner? Nope, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't flinch if I was hungry.

Would I eat my cats? I might love them now, but you might get a different response when I'm starving and Tesco's has been looted.

I don't need animal products, but I have no problems with domesticated prey animals (or game) being killed to satisfy my hunger for meat. Nor do I care about monkeys and kittens suffering to further medical knowledge.

Cosmetics testing is sick IMO, I'd draw the line there. Vanity to me, isn't an acceptable reason to take a life. Neither is 'trophy' hunting.

At the end of the day

My species > other species. Even if they're cute.

I perfectly understand your position. And I completely disagree with it. I think supporting the existence of something worse than concentration camps simply for good taste is abominable.

There is no honor in beating the weak. If they cannot fight back or even move around there is no honor in hitting them and mistreating them.

I completely agree with this, especially when the weak are completely innocent.

Comparing even the cruellest corners of the food industry to concentration camps might offend otherwise omnivorous Israelis. I can see some parallels in that certain species have been hunted to and beyond the verge of extinction, but I value human life far more than non-human species.

If you look solely at the conditions and consider the fact that animals suffer in a similar manner to humans and that their numbers are far greater you would reach the conclusion that factory farms are worse than concentration camps. I often value human life more than non-human species as well, but not to the point where I place a tasty meal before someone's life and freedom.

For the sake of argument, how can you know that animals suffer in the same way as humans? Are you not anthropomorphising tasty critters too much here? I don't doubt that certain animals (inc pigs, we share many similarities which perversely, IMO, makes them especially tasty) have great capacity for suffering. I still don't mind.

If meat is murder I'm totally cool with that, but I'd invent another word to describe the killing of humans for reasons other than cannibalism.

We're not going to agree either way, but I thought you might like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYSqqW6hH0w
(Chris Morris is one of my fave comedians)

The solution isn't for the world to go vegan that's just not an option, I care very much for animal rights and animal welfare . I often refer to myself as being a wolf or wolf like, I am a carnivor by nature I love meat!! !, this doesn't mean I don't care how the animas are treated!

If you really care for the animals don't try to save them by pushing people into being vegans,! The truth is it won't work! Some of us just plain flat out /can't/ go vegan I being amongst them I have a very restrictive diet and am extremely taste and texture sensitive I tried tofu and yeah no not a thing I can eat!,

If you want to help the animals encourage people to buy from local farms, fre range organic antibiotic and hormone free!! !


I see nothing wrong with eatting animals eggs or milk



I should add don't take this out on NTs,

The Squid poses a question. Since you're never going to get people to stop eating meat, and you're CERTAINLY not going to get these factory farms to shut down. Perhaps a solution on the manner of the execution of these animals is in order? Keep in mind, that the method would have to be "Humane" but would also have to be efficient and not drive the cost up. The Squid does not condone what is being done here, but we can see no way around it. The exception to that statement, is clearly some of the employees have anger issues. Isolated incidents between these animals and the handlers needs to be stopped.