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wblastyn
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21 Jun 2014, 9:09 pm

I too have noticed my obsessions aren't as intense or frequent as they used to be. I tend to get obsessed with TV shows - I'll search for spoilers online and it's all I think about when I'm in work. But once the show ends, or even if it's during the gap between seasons, I'll forget about it. It's almost as if I lose interest once I can no longer find new information.

I suspect the antidepressant I'm on has something to do with it. It's not the depression because I'm not actually depressed but these drugs tend to dull your emotions so you don't feel pleasure as intensely.



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21 Jun 2014, 10:14 pm

wblastyn wrote:
I suspect the antidepressant I'm on has something to do with it. It's not the depression because I'm not actually depressed but these drugs tend to dull your emotions so you don't feel pleasure as intensely.


Have you thought of using something like St. Johns Wort instead? I just started using it and its really helping me with my anxiety and depression. Someone had told me from another AS page that it can help reduce OCD patterns which are the main cause of AS related anxiety and depression. I had previously used prescription anti anxiety/depression meds, but they made me feel lethargic, gain weight, blood pressure increases etc.

I had been thinking about what makes my obsession rate so high and I think part of it is I tend to randomly look things up online a lot, sometimes just seeing something that strikes my curiosity and then before I know it I'm reading and studying about something and then depending on how interested I am, the possibility for an obsession may occur.



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21 Jun 2014, 11:47 pm

TrueScientist wrote:
NicholasName wrote:
Did you have bad science teachers?

As for your trouble with math, that could very well be your teachers, too.

It could be dyscalculia (math learning disability) in addition to the bad teachers. Depending on the severity, someone with dyscalculia can still be (or become) very good at math.

As for going into biology because of a fear of dying, maybe that's just too scary! If you're constantly exposing yourself to something you're afraid of, you might be too anxious to learn it. You say you like Doctor Who--- could you see yourself as a physicist studying time and space? You say you like psychology and use creative, "right-brained" activities to escape--- perhaps a career in neuroscience researching the very nature of creativity and the human mind?

I've been recently diagnosed but I don't think it made much of a difference so far.
Did getting diagnosed really help? How? Are there experts on how Aspies learn effectively?


In school, I had very shoddy accommodations for a misdiagnosis. Now that I have the correct diagnoses, I can get better ones, like being able to take tests in a private, quiet room. I don't know if there are experts on Aspie learning styles. There probably are, but getting diagnosed also helps with accommodations like note-takers and extra time on tests and such.

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When I was a kid, I read encylopedias and just understood and remembered stuff and sometimes wrote them down simply
because I liked to. Now I can hardly stand reading. Except online science articles, a little. Even then,
I feel like I understand as I read but if I stop and someone asks "what is that article about"
I would have almost no clue a lot of the time. What kind of goldfish memory do I have? It's driving me crazy.


I've never been overly fond of reading. I consider it a necessary evil in order to learn.
Is that a problem remembering it or simply a problem summarizing it? Being horrible at summarizing is a very common symptom of autism. That would be more of a speech/language problem than a memory problem. If you do retain the information but can't repeat it back to others, that might be something a speech-language therapist could help you with.

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Even I don't know the best way I learn now. I just notice a slight improvement in concentration at night.
Mind maps don't help at all. Spider diagrams kind of help with categorising numerous research studies in psychology but it gets so messy
and I still forget huge chunks.
Memory is a huge problem for me. I might not have that bad of a memory but it feels like
I dispose of information I think I don't need, I can hardly remember what I ate yesterday;
my mind is just so aggressive like "and in this study they looked at 3000 volunteers....I DON'T CARE, GET TO THE POINT!" :(


That sounds like just being a big-picture thinker who is bored by excessive detail. That's more a personality trait than a problem, although personality traits can become problems if they're too strong. Who cares what you ate yesterday? :lol: It's not like that's useful information unless you have to keep track because you're on a diet or something.

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I had bad science and bad maths teachers! :P (Or at least to me. Although lots of neurotypical people also complained they didn't teach effectively)
I hate it when maths teachers skip steps like they think everyone's practiced it! (If that were the case, the lessons would be redundant!)
But my lost obsession in science very very slightly came back when I had a lovely science GCSE teacher
who was genuinely interested in science.


The teacher's enthusiasm and skill (or lack thereof) can have a huge influence on the student. I bet you'd be fine if you had good enough teachers.

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I might have ADD (I've really never been hyper but I struggle to concentrate, especially on mundane information,
which most things in life have transitioned into unfortunately; I don't find much surprising or interesting, I'm constantly bored or
questioning whether I'm *actually* enjoying what I'm doing.)
and I might have discalculia: I fairly frequently input in incorrect buttons when using calculators,
like entering 62 instead of 26 or possibly pressing divide instead of multiply.


You could definitely have the predominately inattentive kind, then. It's worth checking out. ADD is a chemical imbalance. If your brain isn't making enough chemicals, of course you won't be able to concentrate.
Yep, that's exactly the kind of things I do. Sometimes I'll forget a minus sign or add instead of subtract or copy a number incorrectly. I need to check and recheck everything very carefully, and I need a LOT of extra time on tests to be able to do it.

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Problem with me studying any science except biology and psychology, (thus chemistry, physics, astronomy, etc.)
is that they require a significant amount of maths knowledge I assume.
I mean, even algebra confuses me. (All those rules to memorise...yet little explanation.)


Thing is, you can't just memorize math. It can be a useful shortcut, but you absolutely have to understand the concepts. There shouldn't be little explanation. A good teacher or tutor will explain everything you need. Again, I definitely suggest Khan Academy for that.


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22 Jun 2014, 9:46 am

wblastyn wrote:
I suspect the antidepressant I'm on has something to do with it. It's not the depression because I'm not actually depressed but these drugs tend to dull your emotions so you don't feel pleasure as intensely.

I personally don't take any medicine for depression or insomnia or anything but
if needs must, the benefits might outweigh the side effects if the problem is quite severe.
I'm paranoid of drugs and processed foods, thinking they might contribute to the development of cancer or heart disease or something.
I may or may not be correct though. I don't trust vaccines either.

AlfredRI48 wrote:
I had been thinking about what makes my obsession rate so high and I think part of it is I tend to randomly look things up online a lot, sometimes just seeing something that strikes my curiosity and then before I know it I'm reading and studying about something and then depending on how interested I am, the possibility for an obsession may occur.

I get that sometimes, reading up on telomeres, DNA, cancer, how to live longer, reduce signs of aging, conspiracy theories, toxins
present in certain foods, etc.

NicholasName wrote:
Now that I have the correct diagnoses, I can get better ones, like being able to take tests in a private, quiet room. I don't know if there are experts on Aspie learning styles. There probably are, but getting diagnosed also helps with accommodations like note-takers and extra time on tests and such.


Private/quiet room and extra time exams are good. Note taking hasn't been useful for me.
None of this really helps with the learning process though. :(

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........I've never been overly fond of reading. I consider it a necessary evil in order to learn.
Is that a problem remembering it or simply a problem summarizing it?

I'm not sure. Sometimes I'm pretty good at separating nonsense information from the useful
stuff and summarising logically. Other times, it's difficult.
In the case of reading generally, I think it's both a memory and summarisation problem.

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........That sounds like just being a big-picture thinker who is bored by excessive detail. That's more a personality trait than a problem.

I don't know, I think sometimes I think of the big picture (still not exactly sure what that means)
and sometimes I think in extreme detail; maybe it depends on the context?
Well I don't like learning boring details like numerical data of how many people
participated in a study or the volume and concentration used in a chemistry practical, etc.
Despite disliking numerical data, I remember as a child I still learnt the distance between
the Sun and the Earth (93 million miles from centre to centre)
and the number of hours in a day (23.93 hours a day...is it strange these both have the numbers 93 in them??? 8O )
but numerical data isn't the only thing.

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........The teacher's enthusiasm and skill (or lack thereof) can have a huge influence on the student. I bet you'd be fine if you had good enough teachers.

Lol I'm not sure they're that easy to come by. :lol:
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........You could definitely have the predominately inattentive kind, then. It's worth checking out. ADD is a chemical imbalance. If your brain isn't making enough chemicals, of course you won't be able to concentrate.

Do you know how to restore the neurotransmitter/chemical balance? If so, how? (Preferably without medication, I prefer safe natural methods.)
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.........Thing is, you can't just memorize math. It can be a useful shortcut, but you absolutely have to understand the concepts. There shouldn't be little explanation. A good teacher or tutor will explain everything you need. Again, I definitely suggest Khan Academy for that.

I find the Khan Academy guy's voice a little annoying, not sure why but I hopefully I'll give it another go
and focus on the content, ignoring trivial imperfections. (I wonder if the black background is helpful, neutral or distracting. :?: )
Thank you for that suggestion. Yeah I feel that I've never properly been taught why you must do things or
the exact list of rules. :roll:



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22 Jun 2014, 6:41 pm

TrueScientist wrote:
Do you know how to restore the neurotransmitter/chemical balance? If so, how? (Preferably without medication, I prefer safe natural methods.)


Rhodiola rosea is good for focus and energy (and can also treat depression). It likely won't be as effective as stimulants, though, which are actually pretty safe as long as you don't have heart problems.

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I find the Khan Academy guy's voice a little annoying, not sure why but I hopefully I'll give it another go
and focus on the content, ignoring trivial imperfections. (I wonder if the black background is helpful, neutral or distracting. :?: )
Thank you for that suggestion. Yeah I feel that I've never properly been taught why you must do things or
the exact list of rules. :roll:


Could be a sensory issue. Those can definitely interfere with learning. You might want to try sensory integration therapy for that.
You're very welcome. I hope it helps. Very few people have been properly taught, sadly.


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22 Jun 2014, 7:24 pm

TrueScientist wrote:
I've kind of lost my early childhood OBSESSION with science (which made me so good at it) and maybe even
with most things in life. :(
I feel so average/below average now.
I also feel like I've got a bad memory.


I hate it when that happens! I feel so alive under obsession!! I find that my mind is like a big black bag into which I throw details. I can't make sense of them or remember them until I hit a critical mass. Then I got it. Its being a gestalt learner.

I find something of some interest, its a bit of work to start then it begins to grow. Science may have worked for you as a general subject, but at this point in your life you may need to specialize in a specific field, like brain science may be too general so you specialize in embodied cognition. But you may want to do something outside of the realm of science altogether.

I have had a variety of obsessions throughout my life. This is just one of the joys of being autistic!


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22 Jun 2014, 8:26 pm

Awiddershinlife wrote:
I feel so alive under obsession!! I find that my mind is like a big black bag into which I throw details. I can make sense of them or remember them until I hit a critical mass. Then I got it. Its being a gestalt learner.

I find something of some interest, its a bit of work to start then it begins to grow. Science may have worked for you as a general subject, but at this point in your life you may need to specialize in a specific field, like brain science may be too general so you specialize in embodied cognition. But you may want to do something outside of the realm of science altogether.

I have had a variety of obsessions throughout my life. This is just one of the joys of being autistic!


I feel very alive under obsession too. They do have a few detrimental effects such as not wanting to sleep at night, maybe waking up during the night, vivid dreams, and of course people get pretty tired of listening to me keep talking about it. The other drawback is occasionally I spend a lot of money on books and videos, video games, other items, which are related to the obsession.

I also get depressed when the obsession ends and I just never know how long its going to last. Sometimes its as low as a week sometimes a year, and if I try to go back to it, its just not the same. I do however learn a lot! I'm happy with who I am though.



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27 Jun 2014, 1:17 pm

Hello again :) I was taking a break from Wrong Planet, then came back and remembered my post here.

True Scientist- you like Doctor Who too? Awesome! :D Matt Smith is probably my favorite doctor, because he jokes around a lot, and that cheers me up when I'm in a bad mood. Also, I liked Amy and Rory, although River Song and her story were kind of weird :? David Tennent was pretty cool too though. I liked some of his episodes more than Matt Smith's, because his made me think more, whereas the Matt Smith ones focused more on jokes and creepy alien attacks.

Anyways, back to the topic of fading obsessions, I noticed you seemed upset that your current interests don't relate to a job. I've been having the same problem. Like, when I started my first year of community college last fall, it was with the intent of becoming an environmental scientist. I have always had a soft spot for animals, and since I am not quite obsessed, but interested in preventing species extinctions and climate change, I figured an environmental science career was the way to go. Unfortunately, I don't think I really realized what that meant. While I am interested in the TOPIC, I didn't really understand what I'd be DOING on a day-to-day basis. Like, if I wanted to prevent climate change, a related job might be inventing better solar panels. That would likely involve using math and physics, and I'm terrible and math and physics. Or, if I wanted to prevent species extinction, I would probably have to work outside in both good and bad weather, and be able to handle wild animals. While I like animals, I would probably be afraid to, say, pick up a bird or something, because I would worry it would bite me. Also, when those interests started to fade, I no longer saw a reason for pursuing those types of careers. Not really sure what to do now...

Anyways, sorry for not really giving advice :( I just wanted to let you know I can relate to what you're going through. You're not alone :)