Living life when you are not a social being

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qawer
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23 Jun 2014, 2:43 pm

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I really question this thing of not being social. I'm just not social in the way most other people are, I'm social in my own way. The conflict for me is in feeling like I have to do things their way, thereby losing some of my independence and sense of self, and still feeling dissatisfied and unfulfilled anyway.


I understand what you mean dianthus. I feel much the same way. I do like to socialize, but not at any prize.

But when it, for instance, comes to dating, I realize that it is a social act. By that I mean that there is going to be a social selection - the popular people will be the most attractive mates in that competition.

It's the whole competitive and "selection for the strongest genes" aspect of socialization I do not like.

There is nothing but power left. Nothing with being a good person. Only a question of how strong and powerful you are in the social competition.


But I know the real problem is that I like to compete with nature, not other people. So the central issue is that I truly ain't a social being the way NTs. I thrive on independence, they thrive on their group belonging.



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23 Jun 2014, 3:06 pm

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It's the whole competitive and "selection for the strongest genes" aspect of socialization I do not like.


Exactly. That is what I dislike the most. And the way society is structured in a hierarchy, like a pyramid.



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23 Jun 2014, 3:39 pm

If you are at home, support worthy causes through Twitter, Facebook, and other networks. Sign petitions, etc. Public support is much more important than people realise. There is many ways to participate in society without being a "social butterfly".


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24 Jun 2014, 2:46 am

I'll admit I'm out of place in the NT world. It can be such a pain but I try to get through and with all these expectations as an adult it can be so hard.



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24 Jun 2014, 2:48 am

Here is a great example of what can be done through public support: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... utcry.html

There is many cases similar to this one, and in many countries.


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24 Jun 2014, 3:52 am

dianthus wrote:
qawer wrote:
It's the whole competitive and "selection for the strongest genes" aspect of socialization I do not like.


Exactly. That is what I dislike the most. And the way society is structured in a hierarchy, like a pyramid.


Yes! And for the most part the hierarchy is obfuscated by use of indirect language.

The conclusions in this article http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... i-schemes/ are not surprising. The boundary between legal and "illegal" Ponzi schemes is completely arbitrary, and actually varies from country to country depending on the local laws.

This behaviour is simply the drive for social status that humans share with other primates. In contrast to what many economists think however, it is not this competitive drive that has made humans more "successful" than other primates, but rather the human capability for collaboration.

Typical humans are highly programmable, and easily absorb whatever economic paradigm is being taught in schools and promoted by the media. Here is a good example of how the media interprets the role of schools: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-to ... d=11276485

"The simple message in life is what? When you go to school you follow the rules," Mr Hosking said. "That's what you learn at school, that's how you learn to be a functioning member of the community."

I highly recommend reading Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution by Petr Kropotkin http://gutenberg.org/ebooks/4341 to understand the role of cooperation within species and between species in shaping life on this planet. The perspective offered in this book, written shortly after Darwin published his work, was highly inconvenient for many decades, in particular during the Cold War, and more recently, as part of the rise of Neoliberal economics and business practices inspired by Ayn Rand.