Disturbing (Likely) Aspie in Public, Out Unsupervised

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26 Jun 2014, 10:39 pm

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Maybe that man was independent enough not to need a caregiver.


Yeah, someone with odd or annoying behaviour but able to look after themselves and not a danger to himself or others doesn't need to be supervised. To the OP: you and your associates can either tolerate the behaviour or go elsewhere. In a food-court , it's completely acceptable. In a place where quiet is expected like a church or library it might be different.

I used to make noises while I flapped my arms or twirled a string in front of my face. I did it at school and in other public places as a child. I still have an inclination to make noise to cover up other noises around me, it's a bad habit and it can be associated with ASD (and probably other disorders too). I don't do it in public anymore.



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26 Jun 2014, 10:51 pm

I am sorry I didn't mean to say he doens't have a right to go outside, but if he needs to stim so noticeably for 15 minutes or so, then maybe he should go to a bathroom, and do it in a toilet stall away from others. Same with other asipies who think they can start clapping and rocking in public.



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26 Jun 2014, 10:56 pm

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I don't mean he doesn't have a right to stim in public, but people would feel more at ease if a handler was with him.

The guy I knew who flailed his arms and blurted out utterances was an intelligent, educated, professional person.
He certainly didn't need a handler with him. The idea is absurd.
Well, he liked being handled by ladies. He had no trouble attracting ladies.
I think I'll shut up now.



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26 Jun 2014, 11:07 pm

DVCal wrote:
I am sorry I didn't mean to say he doens't have a right to go outside, but if he needs to stim so noticeably for 15 minutes or so, then maybe he should go to a bathroom, and do it in a toilet stall away from others. Same with other asipies who think they can start clapping and rocking in public.


It might be a bit of an odd sight, but so what? It's not threatening to anyone. Ignore it.

Saying this guy should have to be hidden away so as not to annoy others or make them feel uncomfortable makes you sound like a real as*hole.

I'm not going to pretend that I wouldn't notice the guy moving about and making noise. It might be a bit of a scene.. but so what? It is what it is and has no bearing on you or your life. IMO, you don't have any authority to suggest that people like this shouldn't be out in public for fear of making you or others uncomfortable.

Put yourself in that guy's shoes for a moment. Imagine being unable to control those things, but completely aware that you're doing them and that others are staring and likely feeling uncomfortable. The guy has some guts to just be out in public considering he has to face judgemental people like you.


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26 Jun 2014, 11:37 pm

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I don't mean he doesn't have a right to stim in public, but people would feel more at ease if a handler was with him.


Dogs and monkeys have handlers. :roll:


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Same with other asipies who think they can start clapping and rocking in public.


Think? They can.
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26 Jun 2014, 11:40 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
Dogs and monkeys have handlers. :roll:


Your forgot politicians! :P



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26 Jun 2014, 11:46 pm

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Who_Am_I wrote:
Dogs and monkeys have handlers. :roll:


Your forgot politicians! :P


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26 Jun 2014, 11:57 pm

DVCal wrote:
I am sorry I didn't mean to say he doens't have a right to go outside, but if he needs to stim so noticeably for 15 minutes or so, then maybe he should go to a bathroom, and do it in a toilet stall away from others. Same with other asipies who think they can start clapping and rocking in public.


What? Why shouldn't he be able to do it in public?

Are you sure you're okay?



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26 Jun 2014, 11:58 pm

DVCal wrote:
I am sorry I didn't mean to say he doens't have a right to go outside, but if he needs to stim so noticeably for 15 minutes or so, then maybe he should go to a bathroom, and do it in a toilet stall away from others. Same with other asipies who think they can start clapping and rocking in public.


What? Why shouldn't he be able to do it in public?

Are you sure you're okay?



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27 Jun 2014, 12:12 am

If the person flails or stims with movements, I think that's fine, but if they're screaming random sounds repetitively in public somebody needs to stop them from doing so. I wouldn't be concerned about sounds within a normal volume range, but if they're loud enough to irritate or terrify people then there's a problem.


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27 Jun 2014, 2:25 am

DVCal wrote:
I have to agree with my associates, if you are so low functioning that you can't control such bizarre and unwelcome stims in public then maybe you shouldn't be out in public unsupervised.

Only if that person's behavior was specifically a danger to themselves or to others. By your description he/she sounds harmless

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IIt worries me that when people see others like this they think all of us are this dysfunctional.

Have to agree with other posters here. this says more about your insecurity than the poor harmless person making repetitive noises.

Live and let live...



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27 Jun 2014, 2:28 am

Norny wrote:
If the person flails or stims with movements, I think that's fine, but if they're screaming random sounds repetitively in public somebody needs to stop them from doing so. I wouldn't be concerned about sounds within a normal volume range, but if they're loud enough to irritate or terrify people then there's a problem.

If they are not directing the screams at anyone in particular then honestly what harm are they? On the other hand if the screaming is directed at random passers by then it may constitute a public nuisance.



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27 Jun 2014, 4:12 am

OP, you and your friends were jumping to a conclusion which seems laced with prejudice to me.

The man you saw could have had Parkinsons, a previous head injury, lots of other things. Possibly you projected onto him, because you are on the spectrum?

You want to make him - a stranger with some kind of disability - responsible for making you feel better? He is the one who has to change his behaviour to suit you?

The facts: you saw something that made you feel uncomfortable. Chance! to explore why you reacted and felt as you did, and deal with it.

On the other hand, you and your friends could start a petition to have anyone who makes you feel uncomfortable hidden from public sight....



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27 Jun 2014, 4:13 am

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I have to disagree with you: I believe this person's freedom to be in public (as long as they are not causing harm to anyone) outweighs the uncomfortable feelings that you or others may be expressing.

Imagine telling an overweight person at the gym that they shouldn't be there because it made other people uncomfortable, even though they were not causing anyone harm. This person might be making an effort to improve their ability to control their stims in public, and probably feels bad too that their uncontrollable stims are visible to others.


^ This. Also, as far as I can tell, whether or not someone should be given support or supervision depends on what their needs are and not how they are perceived by others.


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27 Jun 2014, 4:39 am

Talk about group think in action. Siding with ignorance and intolerance to fit in with the people you were with despite consciously having a deep understanding of his behavior.



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27 Jun 2014, 5:46 am

DVCal wrote:
It worries me that when people see others like this they think all of us are this dysfunctional.
And that makes it your problem alone.

Do you ever bother reading what you post here and consider how others might react to these astonishingly ignorant and intolerant opinions?
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if you are so low functioning that you can't control such bizarre and unwelcome stims in public then maybe you shouldn't be out in public unsupervised.

I suggest you work on developing a better and more accepting understanding of other people, instead of suggesting they should be shut away out of sight or that they should have "minders".


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