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11 Aug 2014, 11:30 pm

How many weeks ago did this start? If it were me, I'd try to piece together everything I was doing and everything that was happening to me around the time it started, however insignificant any of it may seem.

You may have been exposed to a level of chemical that your body can't tolerate, something from an animal you were near, you may be exposed to a high level of EMF or a new source of it in your home or work area, you may have developed an allergy to something that didn't use to bother you and one exposure too many is now causing a reaction, and it could be something emotional that your body is having a hard time dealing with. It sounds like you're in a pretty stressful time right now. FasterEFT might offer some options.

Every (good) practitioner I go to for fatigue has wanted as detailed a history as possible to help them narrow down what type of direction to go, with modalities and testing. There's only so much testing a person can really afford to do. It helps to know a range of likely culprits.

If it turns out that you can find no traceable link to any likely precipitating factor, that in itself can be useful.


Being a night-owl myself, I was surprised to find out that a tendency to staying up late can indicate hormonal imbalances:

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Many people who feel wired at night, or claim to be night owls suffer from hormone imbalances, often cortisol related.

(from: http://www.drnishantrao.com/)

Some find this type of quiz helpful (to maybe sort out whether Adrenal Fatigue is the issue):

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/take-the- ... tigue-quiz


Hope you find the answers you need.


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12 Aug 2014, 2:03 am

Based on your posts you do seem like a person "driven to succeed". As you know we have more sensory stuff coming in and low working memory so we probably burnout faster.

A lot of the advice has been great. I would add that some things in your life will need to be dropped. You have to keep what you really need and drop what you just want. Another area to look into is even when we are alone having "me" time our minds are sill racing.


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12 Aug 2014, 10:35 am

Two other resources you might want to look into: http://eiriu-eolas.org/ (link to the program is near the bottom of the page)

and

The HOCATT. Vicky Dewing's story at this page reviews her experience: http://hocatt.com/results/



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14 Aug 2014, 5:04 am

voleregard wrote:
How many weeks ago did this start? If it were me, I'd try to piece together everything I was doing and everything that was happening to me around the time it started, however insignificant any of it may seem.

You may have been exposed to a level of chemical that your body can't tolerate, something from an animal you were near, you may be exposed to a high level of EMF or a new source of it in your home or work area, you may have developed an allergy to something that didn't use to bother you and one exposure too many is now causing a reaction, and it could be something emotional that your body is having a hard time dealing with. It sounds like you're in a pretty stressful time right now. FasterEFT might offer some options.

Every (good) practitioner I go to for fatigue has wanted as detailed a history as possible to help them narrow down what type of direction to go, with modalities and testing. There's only so much testing a person can really afford to do. It helps to know a range of likely culprits.

If it turns out that you can find no traceable link to any likely precipitating factor, that in itself can be useful.


Being a night-owl myself, I was surprised to find out that a tendency to staying up late can indicate hormonal imbalances:

Quote:
Many people who feel wired at night, or claim to be night owls suffer from hormone imbalances, often cortisol related.

(from: http://www.drnishantrao.com/)

Some find this type of quiz helpful (to maybe sort out whether Adrenal Fatigue is the issue):

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/take-the- ... tigue-quiz


Hope you find the answers you need.


Thanks for the link to the quiz, that site was very interesting and the quiz indicates that adrenal fatigue is my problem. I would have liked to buy the herbal supplements they were selling but they were expensive and money is tight at the moment. I've done some research though and found that licorice root is the key ingredient in these kind of supplements. This is cheap to buy from ebay so I've ordered some in powder form. I'll update after I try it if it helps at all.



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14 Aug 2014, 9:21 am

In my searches, I found the same. Licorice comes up as a helpful herb, and one of my favorite flavorings I keep on hand is this:
http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-22180-nat ... -free-1-oz

I put a few drops in yogurt or lemon water and it adds a great hint of flavor. This from someone who can't stand that black licorice candy flavor, which seems more of an anise flavor but I like anise too. Real anise, not whatever it is they put in black licorice candy.

One other that I do find helps, but can be expensive is Chyavanprash. Banyan I've been told makes good products:

http://www.doshabalance.com/doshabalanc ... nprash.php

But I don't like that they use cane sugar as the base.

One company where product purity is at the forefront is PRL. So the only type I've ever used is ChyaPro from PRL (www.prlabs.com). First product ingredient is Indian Gooseberry, not Sugar. My problem with this product is I love it and go through a bottle so quickly.



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15 Aug 2014, 2:31 am

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17 Aug 2014, 9:03 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
As you know we have more sensory stuff coming in and low working memory so we probably burnout faster.
I think this is very common as a baseline.

Plus, possible physical stuff which may be going on at the same time.



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17 Aug 2014, 9:47 am

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I've read your post and it was very sensible... Don't kno why you removed it. I was going to respond to others in full later today or tomorrow, as fatigue has been hitting me again.


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18 Aug 2014, 7:44 am

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Woodfish wrote:
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I've read your post and it was very sensible... Don't kno why you removed it. I was going to respond to others in full later today or tomorrow, as fatigue has been hitting me again.


Thanks for saying it was very sensible!

I was a bit hyper when I did the post .. later felt it was a bit too large ..

first idea then was to edit it .. realised I couldn't even begin thinking about it .. so to even start considering editing it it semed to me I first needed to remove it (-:

maybe big thought was that .. in my experience .. small scale helps a lot .. trying to keep things manageable, instinctive and pocketable ..


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18 Aug 2014, 8:06 am

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Any chance you have adrenal fatigue? There could be a genuine physical cause for it.

It's worth remembering that there is no evidence that adrenal fatigue exists. There are genuine physical causes for fatigue, particularly anaemia, thyroid problems, diabetes and even heart disease.

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Any chance you have adrenal fatigue? There could be a genuine physical cause for it.
That is a big deal. You need to learn your limitations and pace yourself to not stretch your adrenal glands. They can become damaged.


If you have access to a naturopath they can test that for you. It is only shining light into your eyes to see your pupils' reactions.

Then you take some desiccated adrenal gland for a while till they heal. (It's usually bovine, so if you're vegan it won't be for you.) I'd still be on it (I've had weak adrenals) but it's expensive and since I'm not working right now I'm not under enough stress to justify it.

I think you've been had. You can't diagnose adrenal insufficiency by shining a light into someone's eyes, you need an ACTH stimulation test.

Desiccated adrenal gland also doesn't seem like a sensible treatment. We don't even know if we can digest it, and if we can then what good is having the odd cell floating in your bloodstream going to do?

Run a mile from the person giving you this advice. They are giving you placebo treatments, which is all very well and good until you get something more serious than bloating, fatigue, or general unease.



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18 Aug 2014, 1:56 pm

Not to mention the most obvious - Occam's razor: Insufficient time sleeping. In my case, the reasons were psychological. Anyhow, hope you're better rested!


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18 Aug 2014, 9:33 pm

I get that way when I'm really depressed.


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18 Aug 2014, 10:34 pm

Suggest you begin with a few physical checks first - your iron and ferritin levels seem the most obvious place to start.



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19 Aug 2014, 8:10 am

little_blue_jay wrote:
Any chance you have adrenal fatigue? There could be a genuine physical cause for it.


Just in passing, I don't think this is a real thing. The symptoms are real, but the proposed mechanism of "adrenal fatigue" has been proven not to be the cause of those symptoms.

https://www.endocrine.org/news-room/pre ... al-fatigue



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22 Aug 2014, 8:06 am

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I get that way when I'm really depressed.


Yes me too. I'm feeling less tired now than I was a week ago but I don't know if that's down to feeling better about my life since some of the worry has been lifted, taking liquorice root, doing some exercise or a combination of all 3! I just know that when I'm feeling down or when someone has upset me I need more sleep but when I'm happy about my life and not have anything to worry about I have a lot more energy.



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22 Aug 2014, 11:50 am

Depression has not been a problem for me for a long time.

However, I have been going through psycho-ed testing for the past two days and they already told me one thing: that my working memory is lacking compared to the rest of my IQ.

In fact, I find planning and switching activities very draining. I am very slow at EVERYTHING and that clearly adds stress to my life when I feel there is too much to complete and can't plan the steps to do it. I constantly have to write to-do lists for things. So when I have no energy to write a to-do list, I'm screwed. When I have to improvise steps to an activity (e.g. in what order will I clean the bathroom?), that's when my mind goes into overload and I would feel totally drained after doing just that. I am not quite sure where to seek help for this and what kind of help I could get.

I also recently realized that doing chores right before bed makes me agitated and I cannot sleep afterward. Having to plan and execute steps seems to be as exerting on my mind as very difficult mental activity like, say, solving complex math problems. I lost one and a half nights of sleep this week due to a lack of wind-down time before bed and today I am so exhausted that, at least now, I am not up to doing any sort of cognitively demanding work. It's almost like I need another person to help me plan my life down to the smallest email to be written or the smallest random chore to be dealt with.

The thing is, I don't think my fatigue is health-related because it is NOT chronic. If I spend one day reading about only one topic or talking to one person/group of people and barely do anything else, I do not feel tired afterwards when these things are done in ideal conditions.

I do so much because a) I am broke and b) I need to do certain things for grad school. The rest of duties are just survival needs. And I'm not even doing THAT much. Regular household chores and keeping track of things I need to respond to are the most problematic for me. Just figuring out what to prioritize, what to say at a certain time, what to do at a certain time, etc. takes a lot out of me.


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