Anybody more socially perceptive than most NTs?

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Birdsleep
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21 Sep 2014, 5:07 pm

GhostNeanderthal wrote:
Yes.

Though being sensorily overloaded lessens this ability. But if I remain fully present, it's quite scary the things I pick up on. Also it can be frustrating to know what someone wants from me, but knowing that they will never admit it.

Right now I'm looking for ways to capitalise on this. Both to avoid the exhaustion that comes with picking up vibes and also to to find ways to leverage this ability in order to have a better life.

Meditation and mindfulness are showing great promise in helping to stay present and calm in many situations. Also some medications might work. Bupropion is under testing right now for me, and we'll see what it does.

Instead of being crippled by my sensitivity, I want to leverage it to its fullest extent. Essentially the ingredients of becoming a magnificent socializer are right there. The only problem is how to manage the emotional drain all of this causes. It is literally the only hurdle there is. And also to keep in mind that other's think very differently from me. If the emotional impact could be nullified then this would be a true superpower.


This is exactly like my experience also. I could pick up so much more if I could only concentrate enough to focus on it.
You mentioned in some other thread that the Aspie brain-wiring is not really suitable for
verbalizing thoughts all the time, and that visual thinking would be more natural and using less processing power.
I've been looking into this lately and find it to be very true. You gave me an excellent tool, for developing my mental capacity, I thank you for this, Ghost Neanderthal!
Although I kind of knew before, that practicing mindfulness had a beneficial effect, I didn't know why,
and I was unaware of the verbalization issue. I have been trained at school to constantly talk
in my mind and that actually feels rather awful and unnatural, but I find it very hard to stop it.
But now that I know more about it, I can focus more effectively on visual thinking and maybe have a chance to relearn a natural ability which I lost.
And thank you for posting that link about the empathy imbalance hypothesis, that makes very much sense.



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22 Sep 2014, 9:56 am

Birdsleep wrote:

This is exactly like my experience also. I could pick up so much more if I could only concentrate enough to focus on it.
You mentioned in some other thread that the Aspie brain-wiring is not really suitable for
verbalizing thoughts all the time, and that visual thinking would be more natural and using less processing power.
I've been looking into this lately and find it to be very true. You gave me an excellent tool, for developing my mental capacity, I thank you for this, Ghost Neanderthal!
Although I kind of knew before, that practicing mindfulness had a beneficial effect, I didn't know why,
and I was unaware of the verbalization issue. I have been trained at school to constantly talk
in my mind and that actually feels rather awful and unnatural, but I find it very hard to stop it.
But now that I know more about it, I can focus more effectively on visual thinking and maybe have a chance to relearn a natural ability which I lost.
And thank you for posting that link about the empathy imbalance hypothesis, that makes very much sense.


Thanks for listening :wink: . (I feel like Frasier Crane right now :D )

Also there is a very interesting blog I found recently about an autistic/aspie man who thinks in pictures: Pre Rain Man Autism

I don't know if I myself think in pictures but definitely I don't think in words either. Actually I have a hard time pin-pointing how my natural thinking is. I'm definitely a very visual person. Maybe I am a visual thinker, and it just takes time to fully get that ability back/adapt it to the real world pragmatically.



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22 Sep 2014, 3:57 pm

Is someone suggesting. shut down the internal monologue?
Very interesting idea.


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23 Sep 2014, 4:45 pm

Chickenbird wrote:
Is someone suggesting. shut down the internal monologue?
Very interesting idea.

At the moment I can't stop it, I'm still observing the internal monologue and try to remember
how I was thinking before I started talking.
In a way, I'm 'catching' the verbal thoughts that push their way into my mind, and 'translate'
them back into non-verbal thoughts.
Those are not necessarily very visual, but rather compressed blocks of information, which can
include memories of all the senses, including sounds, sights, feelings, atmosphere, touch and anything
that can be stored in the memory in it's original form.
So to me meditation is not about 'stopping to think' but to catch thoughts before they turn into
words.
If you are interested, here is a link to a site that got me fascinated:
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23 Sep 2014, 5:19 pm

GhostNeanderthal wrote:
Birdsleep wrote:

This is exactly like my experience also. I could pick up so much more if I could only concentrate enough to focus on it.
You mentioned in some other thread that the Aspie brain-wiring is not really suitable for
verbalizing thoughts all the time, and that visual thinking would be more natural and using less processing power.
I've been looking into this lately and find it to be very true. You gave me an excellent tool, for developing my mental capacity, I thank you for this, Ghost Neanderthal!
Although I kind of knew before, that practicing mindfulness had a beneficial effect, I didn't know why,
and I was unaware of the verbalization issue. I have been trained at school to constantly talk
in my mind and that actually feels rather awful and unnatural, but I find it very hard to stop it.
But now that I know more about it, I can focus more effectively on visual thinking and maybe have a chance to relearn a natural ability which I lost.
And thank you for posting that link about the empathy imbalance hypothesis, that makes very much sense.


Thanks for listening :wink: . (I feel like Frasier Crane right now :D )

Also there is a very interesting blog I found recently about an autistic/aspie man who thinks in pictures: Pre Rain Man Autism

I don't know if I myself think in pictures but definitely I don't think in words either. Actually I have a hard time pin-pointing how my natural thinking is. I'm definitely a very visual person. Maybe I am a visual thinker, and it just takes time to fully get that ability back/adapt it to the real world pragmatically.


Non verbal thinking (which I just described to Chicken Bird), when I finally remember how to do it for short periods of time, feels extremely blissful to me.
And then I clearly remember this blissful intensity of quiet beauty (or spooky terror in scary situations) from my early childhood.
One of my main problems with AS is the extremely narrow focus of attention.
Thinking verbal thoughts is taking up too much effort, to pay attention to sensory perception at the same time.
If I could only stop that, I could be much more aware of my surroundings and cope so much better with everyday life.
Yesterday afternoon, while I was on my way to some social interaction, I was in a situation where I felt mentally so exhausted that the verbal thinking had to stop, because I didn't have enough energy to keep it up.
That brought instant relief from the exhaustion.

The link you posted is very interesting.
But I'm a bit puzzled about the pain-perception part. I knew a man from Estonia ( best-man of my parents) who was totally resistant to pain. He even had teeth extracted without anesthesia.
But I believe he was not on the spectrum. How does this pain resistance tally with hypersensitivity of the senses which is also a common symptom of autism?
That must be a separate condition which some people on the spectrum develop, but others not?
Or is it like the empathy-imbalance, also an imbalance of sensory perception, which can develop either way, too much or too little?