Science or art?
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Doesn't both science and art define a civilisation and its development. It is ok to say that technological progress from lets say the horse and cart to cars is a sign of civilisation becoming more advanced but arts also becoming more sophisticated in some areas except for popular music. I would have previously thought science as more useful because the 'usefulness' of the sciences is aparent and that art is more for asthetics or for the enjoyment of psychedelic drugs as espoused by the countercultures of the 1960s and the late 1980s early 1990s in the forms of the hippie movement and House and rave culture which feed on developing values and have been an influence on art. The drugs used by these two countercultures have been developed by science (organic chemistry). Even during the Renaissance which was an acceleration of artistic and scientific process that began during the late 14th century Italy as a mixing of Ideas from the Latin Christian Europe and the Islamic world and a blending of scientifc and artistic ideas from both civilisations. One comes to a conclusion that both fertilise the development of the human species as a whole and so therefore science and art are of equal importance except for the latter it is not obvious at first.
I trust the Scientific Method--but I trust anecdote even more. Rather, I trust a combination of both.
If you take art to be very broad and include movies, books, series, manga etc, then they are very important to me because I love reading and watching fiction. They are a big part of my life. I take far more personal interest in them than in science. I strongly prefer fiction to non-fiction.
On the other hand science comes with more valuable things, like technology and medication. Without science I wouldn't have my asthma medication, and then I might not have been here at all. Science is definitely more important in how it improves our lives in so many ways.
But I don't think arts are useless. Most people need to feel entertained in some way or other.
Also, the right type of book can change how people view things (even though it's rare), and it can often broaden your horizon. Even if that's small scale, I don't think it's useless.
I love both too and art is really important to me too it relieves my stress and helps me think well and makes me focus and lets me relaxed.
I'm starting to think that society and human complexity are art.
I enjoy art it makes me happy like anime and music and philosphy.
Art made humans improve over the years.
I love history too and whothout art we would've never known anything about it.
Human language is art too.
Thanks everyone who replied and voted it helped clear so many of my doubts
I enjoy those things that are 'useless' like looking at a painting or reading literature, but I keep thinking that they won't change anything like create something which would bring humanity further or wipe out a disease like how science does
I understand that very well. Speaking for myself, I like to work on (scientific) problems that are not just "pure" science, but also have (at least some distant) application in reality.
It is most satisfying to me when a thing of beauty is also a thing of use, when the two virtues coincide. In the arts one can sometimes find that in architecture or industrial design.
Forgot to quote this in my previous reply lol
That's classically considered an art.
If you take a pure math class, it is supposed to be a Liberal Art, and several of my math classes in college were in the Liberal Arts department. Nowadays, more prestigious colleges tend to use this model.
Nowadays, Math is typically thrown in with the Business department along with computer sciences and IT.
Applied Mathamatics though, is math applied to science.
I don't see the point in this dichotomy. I chose the art option because I study an art course, but in all honesty I don't see why the two need to be oppositional to one another. Art and science can serve one another, but they also have nothing to do with each other.
I enjoy art for mostly selfish reasons. I like to draw and I'm good at it, so I might as well make a living from it. I also love animation and I love that I can basically create life, even if it is only there for a few seconds. When i watch animated films, I don't just see the finished product - i see the many many hands that have touched each carefully crafted frame and all the blood, sweat and tears that goes into mere milliseconds. That kind of craft and dedication is something I live for, even if other people only see what I do is doodles. Art is playful and experimental in its own way and I feel it is important for us as a society to indulge in artistic pursuits. Art is a venue where we can explore different ideas about the human condition, about society, about our culture and it's also a very social thing. I haven't met one person (yet) who hasn't been moved by a book or a movie or even a painting. I have also never met a scientist who would scoff at artistic endeavors.
I have, unfortunately, met artists who have this weird aversion to science. They probably had a bad science teacher at school and that's why they ended up denouncing anything within that bracket as boring and "too technical", but when you actually know scientists you find out that they are more like excited kids, not boring and stuffy. These are people that are passionate about learning about how stuff works, the nature of the planet, the nature of humans, etc and they want to use their knowledge for the betterment of the world. In a way, there's a beauty in that worldview that no piece of art can truly capture.
It also frustrates me because all artists working today have scientists to thank for the medium we have chosen. Without synthetic pigments, we would never so easily obtain the colour blue. Without the invention of photography, we wouldn't have film. Without computers, we wouldn't have things like drawing tablets. We owe a lot to these nerds, guys - show some damn respect.
I might be a scientific layman, but I ain't gonna bash it.
they use the same logical processes to form models, but the difference is how the conditionals are applied, so the "expectations" of the resulting models are quite different. Of course there are instances where they overlap as well.
Abstractions are used in both fields with different expectations for the results.
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I'm not into art at all but I'm not really into science either thou I do like some syfy shows so my vote was for science.
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Science and art seem to be able to fertilize each other.
Science needs the intuitive element as well as the logical one and vice versa.
Many a scientist has also been artists and not too few artists have been engaged in science.
The original scientific thinker draws on the same sources as the artist.
I almost think, that science and art could not exist without each other.
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I'm not a big fan of popular music, but it's still art at the end of the day. Just because you don't like that art, doesn't mean to say it isn't art. It's like saying someone who drew a stickman on a piece of paper isn't art, however a masterpiece is art. Just because it has no meaning, to it, doesn't make it meaningless.
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I could have bought over some fish and chips from a Schwarma joint (or anything you'd like--maybe something more "good for you?) I think we would have had a nice chat!
I promise: no ulterior motives LOL.
Hi kortie! I'm sorry I didn't find this post until so late; I haven't been keeping up with things here since posting earlier today.
How great that your wife is going to be in my town next week! It's a pity indeed that you won't be with her as really it would be nice to meet up -- I trust you, hahahah!