Am I the only Aspie out there who belevies in a God?

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24 Oct 2014, 8:13 pm

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I am a gay Aspie and I believe that God made me the way he wanted me to be.


Your Gay I don't want you here on this board. :x


I am the only gay in this village. :lol:

Edit click on the link and watch the video. :wink:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrlzaBNgz-M[/youtube]


Little Britain is amazing. I was thinking that was what you were referring to from the first line in the post. I watch way too much Little Britain.

I don't believe in god, I don't care if others do, as long they don't try and make be believe what they believe.


All fine by me. :)



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24 Oct 2014, 8:24 pm

I believe in God.

That being said, I noticed - through the years I spent pursuing religion - that every religion creates God in their own image. Therefore, I created God in my own image and started my very own private religion. By the way, no one is welcomed in my religion so please do not try and join my congregation of 1.

My God is the person I want to become.

My God gives brownie points for being kind and generous to others. Also for trying to be patient and empathetic with those who do not return in kind. My God loves good science and mourns that there is little of it. My God is one who promotes reincarnation. Even though my God wants us to be thoughtful, intelligent beings, my God knows that lots of humans are born with minimal metacognition. Through many lifetimes, those of little intelligence can evolve. It also means that even those of good metacognition make mistakes. We do the best we can with our lifetime in order to be born again to even greater intelligence and thoughtfulness.

Lots of people do great without a spiritual life. They don't need it. Others of us enjoy and benefit from the dualism of having God to talk things over with; to appeal to. Humans have diverse minds. We need to celebrate this. Many put me down for having someone in my head who is better than me to discuss things with and to resolve when bad things happen despite the best of intentions.

Anyone who discriminates against those who have a higher power simply do not understand the neural diversity of our species brains. They thing logic is the ultimate power. But they are deluded. Logic is an important power, but only one of many. Anyone who studies the concept of "mind" and "consciousness" knows that we do not directly sense the world. Life is virtual. Life is meaningless. It is fascinating how a species with metacognition deals with this singual reality. I demand that every moment of my meaningless life is spent in a positive frame of mind. Many of us struggle with depression. I refuse to accept depression as acceptable. My God and I reject it. I am going to enjoy my life. God helps me accomplish this through many travails.

My God plays an important role in my life.


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24 Oct 2014, 8:43 pm

I believe the people who meditate on the universe, and the people who pray to god, have the same "all that is" grandeur as a target for their energies.



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24 Oct 2014, 8:47 pm

I don't believe in God. I don't really need it. I am good because it is most beneficial to humanity and society. I find my own meaning in my life. When we die, I think we simply die, as seems to happen in nature. I guess in a way I see nature as God. I feel we don't spend enough time appreciating nature. We belong to the Earth and yet we're killing it and mistreating it.
I think that since we belong to nature that we never really die, we just reform. We become the Earth. I don't see us as being celestial beings separate from the Earth or nature and we float off to some other place when we die. I think that we don't go anywhere when we die. We stay right here. And here we will live forever.
I also feel like having this view places more responsibility on us as humans to look after each other. When you don't believe there is a God in the sky looking after those suffering and in need, you come to realize that all we have is each other. And we must take the responsibility as humans to help each other and aim towards reaching our ultimate potential as individuals and as humanity as a whole. I also think it promotes living in the moment since you are aware of the fact that there is no eternal life, this is all you have and it's probably wise to make the most of it.


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24 Oct 2014, 8:56 pm

I do.



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24 Oct 2014, 8:57 pm

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I have seen quite a few people here who believe in God although they still seem to be the minority. There is even a priest that posts here sometimes. I think it's a lot to do with how you are raised rather than whether you have autism or not.

I'm that priest. I wasn't raised Catholic. I thought religion was for unintelligent people. I was an atheist in my teens. I was attracted to Catholicism by being introduced to the writings of Thomas Aquinas and being surprised and amazed by how intensely logical Catholic theology is. God worked through that logic to touch my heart in a special way ... so here I am today.

So I think the "logical vs. religious" argument -- while it may be "subjectively true" to those who have not had religion explained to them in a logically coherent fashion -- is objectively untrue.

There are many very religious Aspies on WP.


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24 Oct 2014, 9:05 pm

Awiddershinlife wrote:
... I noticed - through the years I spent pursuing religion - that every religion creates God in their own image. Therefore, I created God in my own image and started my very own private religion.

8O Seriously? If you want to change the temperature outside, do you move the mercury in the thermometer to make it happen?


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24 Oct 2014, 9:05 pm

^ Oh, here you are. Hello!

Well, in many cases I have seen, those who have a religion (though not necessarily believing in God) come from religious family. However, someone told me that those who convert to a religion when older often tend to be more devoted to it because they converted for a good reason.



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24 Oct 2014, 9:05 pm

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^ Oh, here you are. Hello!

Well, in many cases I have seen, those who have a religion (though not necessarily believing in God) come from religious family. However, someone told me that those who convert to a religion when older often tend to be more devoted to it because they converted for a good reason.

Hello! But, yes, most people just stay in their own religion.


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24 Oct 2014, 9:23 pm

I am an Aspie.

I believe in God. I believe that God believes in me.

I do not believe in the God of any one particular denomination or religion, and no organized religion will touch me with a 50-foot pole.

I gave up on Christianity (with which I have the most in common) and NeoPaganism (for which I had the highest hopes of acceptance).

I have decided that I am most properly designated A Believer, "one who goes around believing in things."

There is no God but God; however God That Is God transcends all gods. Jesus is God's Son and Mohammad is God's Prophet, and these things are only mutually exclusive if we choose to make it so. The Ten Commandments are a damn good idea; so is the Witches' Creed. One should strive to release one's spirit from being obsessively bound up in the things of this world. Magic is real...

...and if you think that means you can get your SO back by lighting some candles and saying some words, with all your heart, thou shouldst listen to the words of the Great White Prophet: "You didn't know that rock'n'roll burned, so you got a candle and you lived and you learned..."

Magic is real. Leave it alone.

God is real. Try not to attract His/Her/Its attention too intensely.

Do your job, and you may just be OK.

It has been proposed, and is of course possible, that I am in fact a follower of the Anti-Christ. However, the Doctrine of Fruits does not seem to bear that theory out at this time.


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24 Oct 2014, 9:36 pm

Yes, there is a God (whether he is called JHWH, Allah, or whatever). I also believe in a unified Trinity (3 beings--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, being coequal with each other). There are several passages in Scripture that verify this, and are backed up by the three ecumenical creeds (Nicene, Athanasian, and Apostle's creed), and as a backslidden Lutheran, further solidified by the Augsburg Confession and the Formula of Concord. (I call myself backslidden, especially for all the years I believed the lies taught by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which, nowadays, is neither Evangelical, nor Lutheran (in as far as what Martin Luther and/or Philip Melancthon, as well as later Lutheran Clergy like Dietrich Bonhoffer, preached and taught, which was by faith alone, by grace alone, by Scripture alone, and by Christ Alone.)

Lest you think I also believe in predestination, as taught by Calvin and Arminius, think again. If, as Calvin, Arminius, and C.I. Scofield, one of the original thinkers of a system of theology called dispensationalism, believe that everyone and everything is predestined, then why did JHWH give us free will?

While I'm trying not to proselytize, I had a friend, while I still lived in Illinois, who told me at one time, we all make our peace with our maker when we are facing death, especially is one is facing a horrible death, whether it be through war, a fatal auto accident, murder, or whatever.



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24 Oct 2014, 10:14 pm

I believe in God too.



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24 Oct 2014, 10:17 pm

I believe in God. I am a Christian Aspie.


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24 Oct 2014, 10:24 pm

lunamoon1 wrote:
Most Aspie's have more of a logical sense of mind and go with atheism

I'm not the logical type of aspie, but I am an atheist through and through.


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24 Oct 2014, 10:53 pm

Awiddershinlife wrote:
I noticed - through the years I spent pursuing religion - that every religion creates God in their own image. Therefore, I created God in my own image and started my very own private religion. By the way, no one is welcomed in my religion so please do not try and join my congregation of 1.

My God is the person I want to become.

A label such as God has no inherent meaning that can be communicated between people. It is a "free floating" symbol to which individuals attach their own personal semantics. You are on the right track with forming a congregation of 1. Anything else is an invitation for potential conflict.

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My God gives brownie points for being kind and generous to others. Also for trying to be patient and empathetic with those who do not return in kind. My God loves good science and mourns that there is little of it. My God is one who promotes reincarnation. Even though my God wants us to be thoughtful, intelligent beings, my God knows that lots of humans are born with minimal metacognition. Through many lifetimes, those of little intelligence can evolve. It also means that even those of good metacognition make mistakes. We do the best we can with our lifetime in order to be born again to even greater intelligence and thoughtfulness.

Thanks for providing this concrete example of your personal God. I think everyone relies on an innate belief system that is generated by the personal experience of life, which shapes our interpretations of the events that we perceive. Whether such a belief system is labeled God or something else does not matter.

It is however easy to confuse labels used by others with a seemingly corresponding concept in one's own mind. Debates about perceived conceptual mismatches between belief systems are the source of many unnecessary conflicts.

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Lots of people do great without a spiritual life. They don't need it. Others of us enjoy and benefit from the dualism of having God to talk things over with; to appeal to. Humans have diverse minds. We need to celebrate this. Many put me down for having someone in my head who is better than me to discuss things with and to resolve when bad things happen despite the best of intentions.

Any conscious mind makes use of recursive representations. This means our minds are capable of generating simulations of our own mind and simulations of other minds, one of which we may label God. All these simulations are inevitably biased by our experiences and perceptions, but no one from the outside is qualified to pass any judgement on our personal mind simulations, because firstly they can not experience our private simulations first hand with high fidelity, and secondly, their experiences do not match our own, so a divergence in the interpretation of the simulation is inevitable.

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Anyone who discriminates against those who have a higher power simply do not understand the neural diversity of our species brains. They thing logic is the ultimate power. But they are deluded. Logic is an important power, but only one of many.

Unfortunately many people who claim to be highly rational have the belief that there is only one logic. Mathematicians invent new kinds of logic on a regular basis, to explore what kinds of formal systems can be constructed with a particular logic and to study the characteristics of these systems. The only thing that really matters is to consistently make use of the logic that one has agreed to use in a specific context.

It is only proper to point out inconsistent use of logic, but it is pointless to make a value judgement about a particular logic without considering the context, i.e the level of match or mismatch between the characteristics of the system that is being modelled and the logic that is being applied.

Most people are familiar with Boolean logic, which offers the truth values of "true" and "false". But there is also Bayesian logic, which allows for truth values between 0 and 1, where a concrete value 0 =< p =< 1 represents the probability of "true". Note that there is no "proof" for the "meaning" of probability in mathematics. Probability just happens to be a concept that is useful in applying the scientific method.

Furthermore one can create logics that offer truth values of "unknown" and "not applicable" beyond "true" and "false". Especially "unknown" is useful to denote the truth value of statements about which nothing is known, where even the assignment of a probability is meaningless. It is perfectly possible to reason and compute using such logics, especially in areas where Boolean logic simply does not deliver satisfactory representations.

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Anyone who studies the concept of "mind" and "consciousness" knows that we do not directly sense the world. Life is virtual. Life is meaningless.

There is some experimental evidence and there are many anecdotal first hand reports that are consistent with the hypothesis that autistic minds consciously process sensory input with less subconscious social pre-filtering. In that sense, autistics may feel more directly connected to the non-social "real" world, and less connected to the social "virtual" world that is populated by concepts of the human imagination such as status, money, and power. Please note my use of quotation marks, because the difference between "real" and "virtual" is relative and dependent on our individual perspective.

Agree that life is meaningless. Meaning is only created by the simulation of other minds in our mind as described above.

Awiddershinlife wrote:
It is fascinating how a species with metacognition deals with this singual reality. I demand that every moment of my meaningless life is spent in a positive frame of mind. Many of us struggle with depression. I refuse to accept depression as acceptable. My God and I reject it. I am going to enjoy my life. God helps me accomplish this through many travails.

This is a very healthy attitude. My belief system is based on a "force of life", specifically the belief that the notion of life, covering all living creatures, is positive and "worthwhile" (whatever that means ;-) ) to experience.



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24 Oct 2014, 11:17 pm

I'm a Catholic, so yeah, I believe in God.

I also believe in equality for all, unlike some Catholics I know personally (not on here, offline)