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28 Oct 2014, 6:21 pm

Well that is just one lens, and it mainly is just a way of stripping things down to more easily understood behavior.

There are other ways to look at things of course, and other emotions we have, like sympathy and empathy. Civilization also has always attempted to modify behaviors towards more social thinking.

But in the lunch room, the more basic instincts tend to rule. But what you do as an individual is yours to decide.



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28 Oct 2014, 8:01 pm

All of those people who think that theyre the greatest are very irksome to people like me who really are the greatest!



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28 Oct 2014, 11:15 pm

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I don't get it either, I can't even comprehend how someone could fool themselves so easily. I agree with olympiadis, I don't think people are improving and becoming better, at least not in the way they seem to think.

NTs just confuse me.


Validation from other people feels good. You give a monkey a pleasure button and he'll press it over and over. It's really not any more complex than that. It feels awesome to walk around as if you're better so you keep doing it. Functionally speaking I guess that makes you better because you get to think that your whole life, lol. So congratulations egotists, you get a golf clap from me.

My advice to the OP is to not lose any sleep over it. They can be ecstatic over themselves all they want. And you can meet people that aren't as dumb as a box of rocks, it works out for both parties. They get by because they don't think a whole lot about it. So can you. There are so many great roses to smell, so don't victimize your own self by smelling crappy roses.


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29 Oct 2014, 12:53 am

Lukecash12 wrote:
Validation from other people feels good.


Not to me. I used to like (our more like wanted it) but after years of thinking people were happy with me only to find out I was wrong has taken it's toll and now I just expect them not to be happy with me, or the job I'm doing etc.

Now, I don't care about their validation or their opinion of me. In a way, it's sad but in another way, it's liberating. I don't care anymore about others. I can't post my true feelings about people on this forum because of site rules but as I've said before, if everyone else on this crap ball of a planet were to just flat of into space, I'd hold a party for one - that would be a very happy day.

As far as egotistical people are concerned, I hate them too. I've often toyed with the idea that I may be a misanthrope.


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30 Oct 2014, 3:20 pm

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But I think people do improve like a lazy person becomes more energic, but thats not a reason to see self above others



You should realize that this is an arbitrary value judgment placed on a characteristic, and that meme is supported by social pressure.

This is an issue of the individual vs the collective.



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30 Oct 2014, 3:29 pm

ImAnAspie wrote:
Now, I don't care about their validation or their opinion of me. In a way, it's sad but in another way, it's liberating. I don't care anymore about others. I can't post my true feelings about people on this forum because of site rules but as I've said before, if everyone else on this crap ball of a planet were to just flat of into space, I'd hold a party for one - that would be a very happy day.


I also don't get that "feel good" from things that other people do, and especially not imaginary things like the opinions of others.

However, when you're trapped in an environment of people who get their feel-good from external imaginary validation, and also DEMAND it, then the aggression is such that wanting to escape them is the natural result for us.

To me it's like being surrounded by drug addicts who are constantly asking me for drugs and trying to get me addicted as well.



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30 Oct 2014, 3:43 pm

I'll admit that I am egotistical, but it is also much a front for being given the bloody curse of autism/aspergers. I also have much of a volatile hatred or misotheism for any god that could allow such a horribleness upon my being. You see, I did not choose to be this way, and I very much hate that in and of it's self, especially given the extreme setbacks I face from time to time. In order to function better, I must build a wall, be it egotism or delusion to function better. For, if I build myself up instead of dwelling on the s**t which was poured into my very soul, there tends to be a greater sense of efficiency, belonging or purpose and it makes me a better human being and component in terms of functioning in the long run.



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30 Oct 2014, 5:16 pm

olympiadis wrote:
Zajie wrote:
But I think people do improve like a lazy person becomes more energic, but thats not a reason to see self above others



You should realize that this is an arbitrary value judgment placed on a characteristic, and that meme is supported by social pressure.

This is an issue of the individual vs the collective.

Yes I know that
But people abilities improve thats what I meant



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30 Oct 2014, 5:30 pm

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I'll admit that I am egotistical, but it is also much a front for being given the bloody curse of autism/aspergers. I also have much of a volatile hatred or misotheism for any god that could allow such a horribleness upon my being. You see, I did not choose to be this way, and I very much hate that in and of it's self, especially given the extreme setbacks I face from time to time. In order to function better, I must build a wall, be it egotism or delusion to function better. For, if I build myself up instead of dwelling on the s**t which was poured into my very soul, there tends to be a greater sense of efficiency, belonging or purpose and it makes me a better human being and component in terms of functioning in the long run.

I know how that feels I also don't like so many things about myself I wish I could change but I can't, I didn't choose the stupid way I view things and my stupidity and all that, I had it ever since I remember myself, if something I don't have control over like that is occuring then let it happen its going to anyways
I'm ashamed of my views and outlook on life and thats why I never talk about it in real life people laugh at me but I don't hide myself with ego I just don't talk or show myself