RetroGamer87
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RetroGamer87
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18 Nov 2014, 6:20 am
Kiriae wrote:
I attend schools because I have to. If it was me I would just stay in my room and play mmo game/watch anime all day. But my parents won't let it so I have to do something.
That might sound like fun but as someone with indifferent parents, I can honestly say it isn't, not after a few years anyway. University scared me. I thought it would be like school but ten times as hard. It probably isn't. So I gave up my childhood dream of being an architect and stayed home to play on emulators and watch Star Trek. It was a lot of fun at first but when I was 25 I realized everyone has a degree but me and for that and other reasons I got really depressed and paranoid about how "old" I was. By then I had a different reason for not going to university, fear of being a 30 year old graduate who doesn't get hired due to age discrimination and resume gaps so what I'll probably just take the first IT job that comes along so I can at least have a full time job while I'm still in my 20s even though software testers don't get paid that much and it may sabotage me in the long run. I guess I could study but I don't want to give up my job offer. Maybe I could study but first I'd have to get 200 cc of botox, a fake driver's license that says I'm 18 and I'd have to change my username to RetroGamer96
Anyway, fortunately you managed to avoid the quarter life crisis that's so common for us twentyagers.
Kiriae wrote:
I choose schools according to my interests or my parents advice (accounting was my moms choice - I graduated it, IT is my own
That's what you study? I get it, it's your hypothetical twin that wanted to study astronomy, not you.
Kiriae wrote:
I pass exams because of my intelligence and fear of failure.
The sad thing is in my case fear of failure is what prevents me from starting things in the first place.
Kiriae wrote:
To be honest I still can't imagine myself working. After graduating IT I am more likely to join one more school than find a job. Job hunting and job environments are still a huge unknown for me. I feel comfortable in school environment that I know since early childhood and where I work for my own grades and if I fail I will be the only one hurt. But at work I would be getting real money for my work(money means the company looses some profit to pay me, a teacher in school won't lose anything by giving me grades) and if I fail the whole company would be in trouble because each worker adds something to the company. It's a huge responsibility.
I guess in some cases fear of failure also prevents you from starting things too, the same as me. It must be nice living in a country with unlimited free education. Looking for work is hard but I've never done it myself. For me it's always with an employment agency. Perhaps they have something like that where you live as well.
Anyway, I'm only on my second job. They're both supported. The first one was supported for workers with any kind of disability. I quit because I found it humiliating but afterwards I realized how exploitative that place was anyway. Now I'm on contract and trying to get a permanent position in a division in a company that's been setup speciffically for aspies (the division is for aspies, not the entire company) and best of all they pay a living wage, not an exploitation wage so I'll probably be able to get off welfaire. But I guess I'll still not have been in fully open employment or open job seeking. But, what works works. Since this job will start nearly straight away, there's a part of me that kind of regrets never going to university, I'm sort of wondering what I'm going to miss out on. However it's my own fault because I had plenty of time to attend in the last decade and I didn't (would've had to to diploma first due to bad choice of subjects in high school (good grades, bad subjects)).
Anyway, I think you'd make a good worker. You must be pretty smart if you can pass all those exams. Don't worry about the risk of failing something on the job because that can happen to anyone. If you take on any venture in life you must accept the risk of failure because otherwise you'll never be able to get started. If you get a job every other worker there will know there's a chance they could screw up something. The boss will know there's always a chance that any one of their workers could screw up something. They'll still grill the worker who screwed up but the point is no one thinks anyone is perfect. I think upon graduating instead of trying for the third degree you should find a job that uses both of the degrees you'll have. A job that requires knowladge of both economics and IT. You'd be uniquely qualified and a job with such requirements would be sure to pay a lot and you'd be competing against few other applicants.
18 Nov 2014, 1:30 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Kiriae wrote:
I choose schools according to my interests or my parents advice (accounting was my moms choice - I graduated it, IT is my own
That's what you study? I get it, it's your hypothetical twin that wanted to study astronomy, not you.
I wanted to study astronomy but they didn't let me in so I followed my mom's advice and started studying accounting.
It was a easy choice - the college was next city and I could live home. All other colleges and universities were 50kms away. It gave me an easy bachelors grade(1st degree of so called "high" education) although I was never interested in accounting. I didn't join the additional college that would give me 2nd degree of "high" education title(doctor) after getting my bachelors title although many of my classmates did. I would have to study 50kms away to get this because the close school was giving only the 1st degree.
And the IT is a cram school that gives only title of technician, not engineer (work ralated, not education related title). Which means I can work as "blue collar worker" but not any higher unless I earn enough experience.
RetroGamer87 wrote:
It must be nice living in a country with unlimited free education. Looking for work is hard but I've never done it myself. For me it's always with an employment agency. Perhaps they have something like that where you live as well.
It's not free. At least not the college I was attending - my parents were paying for it - untill I got my good grades scholarship after first year.
But thats right, my current cram school is free. European Union pays for it.
About employment agencies - there is one (government is responsible for it) but they don't really to their job. I am getting offers sometimes but so is 150 other people registered. With my lack of experience and social skills I stand no chance.
They got me a "job" once though. It was not real job but trainee job, there were only 2 applicants and there was a knowledge test, not a real job interview.
I was getting pay there but the employment agency was paying my wage, not the company that was hiring me. And it wasn't really like a job - more like a practical lesson. I was having a mentor that was giving me tasks and checking them after I finished. Sort of. In fact I was not doing much of what was written in my trainee program. I was supposed to learn accounting and instead I was managing computers, putting furniture together (they bough new furniture for the office), sorting files and ... looking for stuffs my mentor lost (she never knew where she put something - and I am great at finding stuffs).
Basically doing all what she couldn't. I was even teaching HER how to use MS Word.This experience made me think I would do well as a technician.
But I honestly couldn't imagine myself in the mentors place. She was planning all the work for me and her, switching tasks constantly without any problem and dealing with angry customers while I wouldn't able to protect the company because I totally empathized with the customers - the company was making many mistakes and it was totally our fault but the customers were the victims of our errors. That was so unfair! My mentor was however able to tell them we do our job and that they agreed to any issues when they were signing the contract so they can't make a fuss unless they want to pay the money for breaking the contract. That was so rude...
RetroGamer87 wrote:
I think you'd make a good worker. You must be pretty smart if you can pass all those exams. Don't worry about the risk of failing something on the job because that can happen to anyone. If you take on any venture in life you must accept the risk of failure because otherwise you'll never be able to get started. If you get a job every other worker there will know there's a chance they could screw up something. The boss will know there's always a chance that any one of their workers could screw up something. They'll still grill the worker who screwed up but the point is no one thinks anyone is perfect. I think upon graduating instead of trying for the third degree you should find a job that uses both of the degrees you'll have. A job that requires knowledge of both economics and IT. You'd be uniquely qualified and a job with such requirements would be sure to pay a lot and you'd be competing against few other applicants.
If they look for economy bachelor they look for someone who can make full accounting for their company. I never worked as an accouter and I don't know how it looks like in practice. I also don't have the passion to check out all the laws which change constantly. When I started studying I was pretty sure its just like Math, with static, clear rules. But it's not! Its a dangerous field where one unaware mistake can get you into prison and the laws change all the time so you have to keep in tune.
And for IT - there is not many companies dealing with computers around. I know only about one - expensive and not customer friendly. I don't like it. In fact I am somehow their competitor already since I earn my pocket money by fixing peoples software cheaper then the company would.
I could think about opening my own company but I am not good with paperwork(you need to do a lot of paperwork and then pay money to the government every month even if you don't earn anything) and getting customers(the people I help ask me for help themselves because they are close enough to know I study IT).
About a job that consists both IT and economy the only think I can thing of is being an IT specialist in goverment agency. But they rarely hire anyone and when they do they usually get about 300 people for 1 slot because they offer good, permanent jobs unlike all the companies around that hire you just to fire you next month. They also make a very hard exam contest. No matter what work they want you to do the exam contains a lot of tricky law questions and I never heard about anyone who got a good score on it. There is a rumor they make the exam as a front and the slot is in fact already booked by someone who paid for it or is a friend/family of the mayor.
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18 Nov 2014, 9:23 pm
I dunno....probably way better than me at pretty much everything. Would never cry, get angry or have meltdowns and panic attacks. Would have never needed any supports, IEPs or 504 plans in school ever. Wouldn't need any comfort items, and even if she did still have one or two, she wouldn't need to take it everywhere with her to feel safe and secure. Would like all the things a typical 20-something likes, such as Keeping Up With the Kardashians, mustaches, partying and sparkly vampire boyfriends, or whatever it is that my peers are into these days (now that I think about it, I really DON'T know exactly what NTs my age like ). Wouldn't stim by rocking back and forth, wouldn't pick and bite at her hair and nails. Would be far more interested in grownup movies rather than animated movies. Would finish her college education way early, and do it while making all kinds of friends/boyfriends, being part of a sorority, with no anxiety, depression, social anxiety or extra pounds. Would always eat fruits and veggies and the kind of sugar-free cranberry juice that has a bitter after-taste bcuz it's not the cocktail kind. Be way thinner and more attractive; wouldn't have any problems with her weight, cholestrol or triglycerides. Date a highschool sweetheart all thru college and marry him and have a high-paying corporate job at the same time, with a 6-digit income. Have an elegant, expensive wedding with all kinds of shiny things, all while keeping me busy "helping" with things inside the house so no one would know we were related...either that or have me watch Cars in the basement while saying something super-condescending like, "Now stay down here with Lightning and Mater so no one knows you're my twin sister!" Have beautiful, healthy NT children whom I'm not allowed any contact with. Be so absolutely perfect that not long after she shows up, my mom, stepmom, stepdad, sisters, and even my dad and aunt forget all about me. 
TL;DR - my identical NT twin would, in all likelihood, someone who just makes me feel even worse about myself, cuz she'd be perfect.
RetroGamer87
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19 Nov 2014, 2:16 am
Kiriae wrote:
I wanted to study astronomy but they didn't let me in so I followed my mom's advice and started studying accounting.
You mean the university wouldn't let you into astronomy?
Kiriae wrote:
It's not free. At least not the college I was attending - my parents were paying for it - untill I got my good grades scholarship after first year.
Wow, you must be really smart to have gotten a scholarship!Kiriae wrote:
About employment agencies - there is one (government is responsible for it) but they don't really to their job. I am getting offers sometimes but so is 150 other people registered. With my lack of experience and social skills I stand no chance.
Just one eh? Here we have government funded employment agencies (not government agencies, just government funded), like many of our services they are fragmented (much like our subsidized housing system). I've been with two. The first one was terrible. They were nice but ineffective. I was with them for years before they got me a job. When they eventually got me a job they got me a really crappy job. I didn't realize this first employment agency was bad because, as it was my first one, I had nothing to compare it with. The employment agency I'm with now is much better. They're fast, helpful, comprehensive and most importantly, they find their clients much better jobs. In fact, they would never even consider giving anyone my old job because according to their policy, that job would be beneath their standards of acceptable jobs to give to clients. But my first employment agence was so innefective I'm surprised the agents themselves ever managed to get jobs. All they did was tell me to apply for every job could find on the internet. First of all, I could do that by myself and second of all, everyone knows the odds of that working are about as good as winning the lottery. Applying for random jobs on the internet is the domain of the damned. This new employment agency has connections with employers, something any employment agency should have but the old one didn't have any.
Kiriae wrote:
This experience made me think I would do well as a technician.
Perhaps you would. You certainly seem to have the smarts for it.
Kiriae wrote:
But I honestly couldn't imagine myself in the mentors place. She was planning all the work for me and her, switching tasks constantly without any problem and dealing with angry customers while I wouldn't able to protect the company because I totally empathized with the customers
Well, there are plenty of jobs where you don't have to deal with customers, although if you can empathize with customers that's not a bad thing at all. It's better to view customers as people not as marks to be swindled like many companies do. See here for example.
About a job that consists both IT and economy the only think I can thing of is being an IT specialist in goverment agency. But they rarely hire anyone and when they do they usually get about 300 people for 1 slot because they offer good, permanent jobs unlike all the companies around that hire you just to fire you next month. They also make a very hard exam contest. No matter what work they want you to do the exam contains a lot of tricky law questions and I never heard about anyone who got a good score on it. There is a rumor they make the exam as a front and the slot is in fact already booked by someone who paid for it or is a friend/family of the mayor.[/quote]
Yes but if it turns out that rumor is untrue, you'd have a good chance of beating 300 competitors in the exam because you're smart. It's worth a try anyway, if you don't win, you're no worse off than you were before.
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