"Everyone has AS to some degree." This reply ok?

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20 Nov 2014, 12:00 pm

Superficial behaviors will always be vague when used to describe something like this.
The more important factors are differences in perceptions and thinking that drives the behaviors.

For example, everyone doesn't have a bit of Alzheimer's because they sometimes can't recall something.



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20 Nov 2014, 12:05 pm

My little scab fell off. Oh that means I must have bit of Leprosy!! :D


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20 Nov 2014, 12:08 pm

I wouldn't use a physical analogy, because a healthy person will not appreciate it. You can have an absolutely dire time for a few days, but once you recover, you'll soon forget all about it. It has to be chronic for the analogy to strike home. I have Crohn's disease. For the first few years it was mild, and I didn't see what all the fuss was about. Then it got worse, and a decade of hell followed - at some point I knew. I absolutely knew, and I repented for my past ignorance.

Similarly, autism is lifelong: I cannot stress this enough. It starts in early childhood and there is no remission, no periods where you are NT for a while. It will be with you until the day you die. Some NTs might have autistic-like traits, but these won't be a core part of their being. For example, they might have trouble getting along with a group of people, but it's situational to that particular group. Whereas an autistic person would struggle with all groups, no matter how nice or congenial the people are within it.

To be diagnosed as autistic, you must also meet the triad of impairments. Here is a decent summary of the triad.

http://www.brookdalecare.co.uk/what-is-autism#triad

It should be noted that some mental health disorders can result in symptoms which resemble autism. For example, people suffering from depression are likely to be uncommunicative, withdrawn, self-obsessed, etc. This is particularly complicated by the fact that people with autism extremely often have co-morbid depression and anxiety. Since in general psychologists are far more aware of depression and anxiety than they are of autism, some adults will be misdiagnosed for years before they finally get an autism diagnosis.

One more thing to add: if your social difficulties started in adolescence or adulthood, then you don't have autism. End of story. Symptoms have to be obvious from early childhood - middle childhood at the absolute latest.



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20 Nov 2014, 1:16 pm

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I wish I knew how to do that, rebbieh. But I have the same problem. I say what I think needs to be said, but it's too long winded for NTs. If I cut it down to the size they seem to prefer I don't feel like I have been able to convey anything.

Pensive once said that she had learned to express herself as if she was just summarizing what she wanted to say. I try doing that but it looks so shallow to me.

How about something like this:

"Yes, everyone can have these problems to some extent, but they don't cause most people impairments and ostracism. And most people don't experience these problems with everyone, all the time."
And then follow up with a personal example.


I know exactly what you mean Skilpadde. I do understand what you're saying when you say it looks so shallow to you. It lacks so much substance and doesn't get to the heart of the matter.

I have had this happen to me as well. Has anyone else had this problem as well. When I try to discuss my issues with others they interject and will not let me finish making my point. This is my experience on multiple occasions with family members. Eventually the conversation meanders way off of the original point I was trying to make. Trying to explain myself doesn't work.

Glad I?m not the only one.

My family doesn?t tend to actually interrupt, but I will start saying something, and they will respond with something, and before I know it, we?re talking about something else entirely and I haven?t even gotten to the part I wanted to tell. And because I keep responding to other things said, I forget things I wanted to say along the way too.
I have to give credit where it?s due though: When I talk about my AS problems my mother will usually always want to listen. She takes it seriously, and wants to support me.


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20 Nov 2014, 1:23 pm

I had a fever once so I know what it's like to have Ebola. Basically everyone has had Ebola.



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20 Nov 2014, 1:29 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
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I wish I knew how to do that, rebbieh. But I have the same problem. I say what I think needs to be said, but it's too long winded for NTs. If I cut it down to the size they seem to prefer I don't feel like I have been able to convey anything.

Pensive once said that she had learned to express herself as if she was just summarizing what she wanted to say. I try doing that but it looks so shallow to me.

How about something like this:

"Yes, everyone can have these problems to some extent, but they don't cause most people impairments and ostracism. And most people don't experience these problems with everyone, all the time."
And then follow up with a personal example.


I know exactly what you mean Skilpadde. I do understand what you're saying when you say it looks so shallow to you. It lacks so much substance and doesn't get to the heart of the matter.

I have had this happen to me as well. Has anyone else had this problem as well. When I try to discuss my issues with others they interject and will not let me finish making my point. This is my experience on multiple occasions with family members. Eventually the conversation meanders way off of the original point I was trying to make. Trying to explain myself doesn't work.

Glad I?m not the only one.

My family doesn?t tend to actually interrupt, but I will start saying something, and they will respond with something, and before I know it, we?re talking about something else entirely and I haven?t even gotten to the part I wanted to tell. And because I keep responding to other things said, I forget things I wanted to say along the way too.
I have to give credit where it?s due though: When I talk about my AS problems my mother will usually always want to listen. She takes it seriously, and wants to support me.
That happens to me a lot too.


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20 Nov 2014, 1:29 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
I had a fever once so I know what it's like to have Ebola. Basically everyone has had Ebola.
LOL!!


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20 Nov 2014, 1:35 pm

I am having an impossible time trying to figure out what a social overture is ?



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20 Nov 2014, 1:37 pm

Thank you for the replies, people. I must admit that I'm getting a bit "overloaded" with information though so now I'm not sure what to write at all. But please keep writing (if you want to). I'll sit down and go through it all tomorrow and hopefully I'll be able to write a good reply to the person I mentioned in the original post (unless I can't figure it out and decide to not reply at all).



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20 Nov 2014, 1:46 pm

I'll put it more bluntly: the physical disease analogy is flawed.

For a start, most diseases do exist on a spectrum ranging from mild to severe. It may not be possible to have a "touch" of disease, but it's certainly possible to have a mild or non-complicated variation which doesn't affect your life too much.

Frankly, I don't think half the people on this board would understand what it's like to have severe autism, let alone a physical illness.



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20 Nov 2014, 2:12 pm

I think many of us understand physical illness.


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20 Nov 2014, 2:24 pm

Skibum, I'm glad there are more of us with that problem. I think your analogy with the flue and diabetes was really good.

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I also thought of a series of little games to play with people to show them what it is like to go through what we go through on a daily basis. I can share them with you if you like.

I'd very much like to hear about them, Skibum!

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
I had a fever once so I know what it's like to have Ebola. Basically everyone has had Ebola.

:lol:

NiceCupOfTea, I certainly understand about physical illness. I have some that is a constant battle, and I have had pneumonia once in adult age, and I was so weak I near fainted just going to the bathroom.
I think a lot of us get physical illness just fine.


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20 Nov 2014, 2:30 pm

Everybody's a little bit short!


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20 Nov 2014, 2:33 pm

1401b wrote:
Everybody's a little bit short!


Heh. This is actually mildly amusing.

@skillpadde and skibum - If you really understood physical illness, then I don't think you'd be using these inane analogies to autism.

I'm probably being way oversensitive and overreacting as per usual; I don't know why this is bugging me so much, but it is.



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20 Nov 2014, 3:00 pm

NiceCupOfTea wrote:
1401b wrote:
Everybody's a little bit short!


Heh. This is actually mildly amusing.

@skillpadde and skibum - If you really understood physical illness, then I don't think you'd be using these inane analogies to autism.

I'm probably being way oversensitive and overreacting as per usual; I don't know why this is bugging me so much, but it is.
Trust me, I understand it. I also understand your sensitivity and I respect that. But I have had some serious illnesses and I have also very recently buried some very close relatives who had long drawn out physical illnesses as well. I am currently dealing with another life long physical struggle right now which I just recently contracted. I have also dealt with over 40 years of a chronic extremely painful physical issue where I had to have all of my major muscles basically reconstructed and my bones realigned, so yeah, I think I get it.


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20 Nov 2014, 3:01 pm

Skil, I am doing some work right now so I only have a few seconds for a quick post but I will send you my games soon.


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