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26 Nov 2014, 9:12 am

Oh and BTW I was not trying to be nice. I was just being honest, I do love these things about my son and they ARE largely because of his autism. These are the positives I take from my sons autism. As to whether they are positives for him, who knows? He's only 4 1/2 so I'll have to wait a few years before he can reliably report on that!



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26 Nov 2014, 9:14 am

I have this feeling that I think more and I think deeper then everyone i've ever met
Being incredibly sensitive to the world around me, it feels like a super power
Stringent high morals that lead me in the right direction



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26 Nov 2014, 9:20 am

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Weird I'm in the middle of composing a blog post on this about the positives I find in my sons autism

1- He will never be boring. I think it must be absolutely dreadful to have child that's a bit dull and uninteresting. I'm sure most people manage to convince themselves that their kids are really interesting but lets face it the law of averages dictates that most kids are pretty average and somewhat uniform. My son will never in a million years ever be described as uninteresting. He's fascinating, enigmatic and just, well, a very interesting little chap.

2- He's a cat not a dog. Most kids are like eager puppies desperate for adult attention. Its pretty easy to engage with children, you just get down on their level and muck about a bit and they lap it up. No so with my boy. You need to work for it with him, if you are not making enough of an effort to get into his world he will just ignore you like an aloof cat. But if you do get in to his world then he will reward you with affection and incredible levels of contact. This makes it so much more rewarding. Most kids are just attention whores and I love the fact that my son is a cat not a dog.

3- He is pure. Even at the age of 4 1/2 most kids have learned to be nasty, mean and how to manipulate others. I see this already in my NT 2 year old already. But my eldest does not have this malice or cunning. This is a wonderful and beautiful thing as it gives him a purity of spirit that we only really see in babies and toddler. At the same time this makes him very vulnerable to his more cunning peers. But I love the fact that with him there is not deciet, what you see is what you get, if he is upset he cries if he is happy he smiles. He never tries to manipulate anyone because I don't think it even occurs to him to try! Contrast this with his younger brother, who is already a master of playing one parent off against the other or being an absolute angel for his grandma and then turning utterly vile as soon as I turn up!


That is awesome!! i have been described like this by my parents and girlfriends. I feel this purity and honesty that is apart of me is such a blessing.

I love having autism. It is such a unique experience for me and everyone who has ever supported me.



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26 Nov 2014, 9:28 am

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I know that you're trying to be nice, but I'd be offended if people described me like this.


Please elaborate.

I am saying my son is interesting, independent and pure of spirit. I am curious as to how you or anyone would find offence in that?

I grew up with an autism label. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but it's been very traumatic for me. I'm pretty biased, so I don't really speak for the typical autistic. A lot of my "positive" traits are actually negative.

When people thought I was "interesting" I think it was usually because I made up my own terms for things and had atypical interests.

Some people found that endearing or exotic. That often lead to people being a bit patronizing. When I made up my own terms for things people often focused on how cute that was instead of the actual message.

I mostly made up my own terms for things because I was socially isolated. I didn't really know what other people called those things. I never liked to be reminded of that. Especially because I once did poorly on a language test.

I remember that some people were more friendly when they found out about my diagnosis. I never trust those people. Even if I thought they were cool before. I don't want people to think I'm interesting because of a stupid label. I just want to be seen as a fellow human being.

I'm not offended by people thinking I'm independent, but I would be offended if people thought I was pure. Mainly because I associate being pure with being childlike. I don't want people to think I'm more childlike just because of a stupid label.


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26 Nov 2014, 9:37 am

I still give in to my "lack of guile" most of the time.



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26 Nov 2014, 9:38 am

1) I observe things other people overlook. Especially really small details. My colleagues who are scientists ask me to look at their research material, and writers I know ask me to proof their work. I was walking a property line with someone the other day, and although they had been to the location many times over many years and I had never seen it before, I pointed out several details which indicated extensive human occupation in the past. And this past summer, I was walking over a property with a professional environmental archaeologist and identified several anomalies in the landscape he had overlooked.

2) I make unusual connections between things that other people would consider to be totally unrelated. This really helps when I am teaching students with diverse interests and backgrounds, because I can make analogies between the taught material and something else which is relevant to them.

3) I don't waste time and energy on things that aren't meaningful, and I don't waste words on sycophantic ramblings.



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26 Nov 2014, 9:50 am

Have to agree with EvilRegion, especially the purity thing.

For myself, I can't see many good things that don't also have a significant downside, but here are the nearest things to "more good than harm" that I can think of:

1. Staying power. Once I'm started on a task, I rarely give up until it's done right, even if the process becomes long, repetitive, and tediously exacting.

2. Love of truth. All that hype out there has to be unhealthy. We need people to point out the elephant in the room and to just be straight about things.

3. Hyperfocus. (same as Naturalist) That deep grasp of detail that most people never get. Any machine that sees what most people cannot see is likely to be useful. We're walking microscopes.



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26 Nov 2014, 9:52 am

Here are my top 3 positives about being on the spectrum:

(1) I'm perfectly fine with being the only person to do/ not do things where others seem to be compelled to participate or withdraw according to herd instinct. I'll be the only guy carrying an umbrella because it's likely to rain that day, even if it hasn't gotten cloudy yet. I'm the guy who will ask uncomfortable (so I'm told), pointed questions during a staff meeting at work. I'm the guy who still doesn't understand the factors that drive young people to endure hazing in the name of acceptance by a collective; if I don't want to do something, a roomful of 20 people cajoling me won't sway my opinion. I'm happy being an individual.

(2) As others have said, I find that written communication comes easily for me. I can communicate ideas clearly and forcefully in writing, even if I do have a harder time communicating in person. I may be less adept at spatial reasoning, but I do enjoy mastery of language.

(3) My passion for my special interest in the area of photography drives me to practice and learn continually. While my executive functions may be poor, I possess a remarkable tenacity when it comes to this one area and other special interests I've had over the years.



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26 Nov 2014, 9:58 am

I wish I had Naturalist's affinity for detail.

Those are the people who prove that man was able to build pretty decent shelters during the time of Homo erectus. An "average" person wouldn't be able to deduce that based upon the evidence as presented--frequently, this sort of evidence is quite subtle: rocks have a way of looking very much like other rocks.



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26 Nov 2014, 10:50 am

Peer pressure doesn't get to me
My special interest in weather leads to some very creative activities
I'm always honest.


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26 Nov 2014, 10:53 am

DevilKisses wrote:
evilreligion wrote:
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I know that you're trying to be nice, but I'd be offended if people described me like this.


Please elaborate.

I am saying my son is interesting, independent and pure of spirit. I am curious as to how you or anyone would find offence in that?


I remember that some people were more friendly when they found out about my diagnosis. I never trust those people. Even if I thought they were cool before. I don't want people to think I'm interesting because of a stupid label. I just want to be seen as a fellow human being.


Ok I see the point you are making and I guess I agree to an extent. People that find someone interesting just because they are autistic are perhaps being a bit patronising. I don't mean that I find my son interesting because he has autism I mean that his autism makes him interesting. There is a difference even if he didn't have the label he would still be an utterly fascinating human. It is his personality, his different view of the world, his different way of seeing and reacting to things that is interesting not the fact that he has autism. The autism label is merely an explanation of the neurological differences that generate his intreguing personality and cognitive style.

There are lots of other non autistic people with some of these traits that I also find interesting. I guess I have always liked those that see things differently, those that are not the norm, those that can think in different ways, those that don't conform. I'm currently reading John Elder Robison's book "Be Different" and he mentions that the world is divdided in to 3 types of people: people on the spectrum, proto aspies and nypicals. Proto aspies are people that don't have many of the impairments of people on the spectrum by who still share certain traits. They are the geeks, the odd balls and the nerds of this world who don't quite fit in. I see many proto aspie traits in myself. So I guess that's why I have always like the odd balls in our society because deep down I know I am one myself! The worst insult I can think of is "oh you are very normal". I have always revelled in my own oddities, I'm not on the spectrum but I am still, thankfully, far from normal!



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26 Nov 2014, 3:11 pm

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I particularly admire your patience, as it is not a plus that I have yet achieved!

You may not think you have achieved patience (which I dispute because you have shown a great deal of patience with a certain member here who has recently been on an emotional rollercoaster) but the fact that you have a kind heart is undeniable.


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26 Nov 2014, 3:29 pm

evilreligion wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
evilreligion wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
I know that you're trying to be nice, but I'd be offended if people described me like this.


Please elaborate.

I am saying my son is interesting, independent and pure of spirit. I am curious as to how you or anyone would find offence in that?


I remember that some people were more friendly when they found out about my diagnosis. I never trust those people. Even if I thought they were cool before. I don't want people to think I'm interesting because of a stupid label. I just want to be seen as a fellow human being.


Ok I see the point you are making and I guess I agree to an extent. People that find someone interesting just because they are autistic are perhaps being a bit patronising. I don't mean that I find my son interesting because he has autism I mean that his autism makes him interesting. There is a difference even if he didn't have the label he would still be an utterly fascinating human. It is his personality, his different view of the world, his different way of seeing and reacting to things that is interesting not the fact that he has autism. The autism label is merely an explanation of the neurological differences that generate his intreguing personality and cognitive style.

There are lots of other non autistic people with some of these traits that I also find interesting. I guess I have always liked those that see things differently, those that are not the norm, those that can think in different ways, those that don't conform. I'm currently reading John Elder Robison's book "Be Different" and he mentions that the world is divdided in to 3 types of people: people on the spectrum, proto aspies and nypicals. Proto aspies are people that don't have many of the impairments of people on the spectrum by who still share certain traits. They are the geeks, the odd balls and the nerds of this world who don't quite fit in. I see many proto aspie traits in myself. So I guess that's why I have always like the odd balls in our society because deep down I know I am one myself! The worst insult I can think of is "oh you are very normal". I have always revelled in my own oddities, I'm not on the spectrum but I am still, thankfully, far from normal!

I get what you're saying. I don't find it inherently offensive when people think I'm interesting. It's just that when it's related to autism there's generally patronizing overtones.

When I was a kid I think people made friends with me because my quirks entertained them. Not because of who I was inside. They probably laughed about how quirky I was behind my back.

I don't like when people hyperfocus on my quirks. To me they are external and caused by an illness. Not a part of who I am. I enjoy being around people who actually listen to what I say and pay attention to who I am inside.

I also think that autism is a useless category in general. It's similar to saying that everyone with a broken leg has "broken leg syndrome". Sure they have things in common, but there's also a lot of different causes. Some people with broken legs recover and some don't. It really depends on the cause.


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26 Nov 2014, 3:42 pm

DevilKisses, it was you from whom I got my first really useful piece of advice on WP... the one fact rule :)
Maybe one of your strengths is making really useful contributions...



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26 Nov 2014, 3:43 pm

Raleigh wrote:
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I particularly admire your patience, as it is not a plus that I have yet achieved!

You may not think you have achieved patience (which I dispute because you have shown a great deal of patience with a certain member here who has recently been on an emotional rollercoaster) but the fact that you have a kind heart is undeniable.


Perhaps you are being too kind to me, though it is still a lovely way to start the day, thank you :P



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26 Nov 2014, 4:36 pm

I truly don't think of "quirks" as being part of a "sickness."

Please embrace your "quirkiness." It's only bad when your "quirks" harm you or others.

I happen to believe that being "too normal" is rather pathological.

My belief is that "quirks" should be channeled toward a useful purpose.

Without "quirks," frankly, we'd still be hunter-gatherers.

It's the people with the "quirks" who deduced that domesticating plants would be a better way of life than hunting and gathering.

It was the people with "quirks" who developed art and music.

I can name many other instances where people with "quirks" contributed to a greater quality of life for all.

It should be noted: I am one who believes in autistic people adapting to the "neurotypical" world.