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11 Dec 2014, 12:32 am

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Thanks for all the helpful replies. After reading this, I've come to the conclusion that I am a borspie.

what's a borspie? anything like a halfaspie?



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11 Dec 2014, 12:32 am

borderline aspie?



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22 Dec 2014, 10:00 pm

I took the RAADS-R and my scores were:
Overall=148
Language=7
Social relatedness=55
Sensory/Motor=54
Circumscribed interests=32

All of these scores are apparently above the threshold for autism.

And yes, borspie is borderline aspie.


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22 Dec 2014, 10:01 pm

I can't count the number of times I've been called half of half-aspie.



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22 Dec 2014, 11:44 pm

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If you truly can understand tone, body language, facial expression, and the nuances (lying as a kid) of social interaction, along with making eye contact and lacking profound sensory issues, I am inclined to believe there is no way that you are autistic.


I would say that if those issues came naturally for a person - it is highly unlikely that they have an ASD. But many people with autism do learn things like none-verbal cues and eye contact albeit much slower and with much more conscious effort. I was in my mid-20's before I routinely made eye contact and in my mid 30's before I got the nuances of it down pat. Certainly when I was younger I was continually misunderstanding and being misunderstood. I still do at times - but significantly less so. I think many people on the Autism spectrum do learn those complex social interaction skills - although - it doesn't generally come naturally like it does for neurotypical people.

Also an AS person may only be able to learn some of them or learn then at different rates in comparison with a "normal person". Thus appear much "younger" in respect of some of these skills than others.



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22 Dec 2014, 11:53 pm

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Jezebel. BAP is not "half" anything. It IS part of the spectrum, - the part, that has been overlooked so far, - the part, where people can have problems resembling those of clear AS, but often more manageable/hidden.

OP. Have a look at HSP - Highly Sensitive Personality, which havs many overlaps with ASD - and many of those, you mention. Up to every 5th person and animal is HSP. Read about it. :)

Oops, just seeing this!

But yes, that's what I was saying... someone earlier had implied (accidentally, I suppose) that they were answering the OP's question and saying that BAP means you can be "half" autistic, which I disagree with.

Whether BAP exists or not and whether it's part of the spectrum is open to debate though; at least until it becomes included into the DSM somehow (not necessarily as a diagnosis but it could be recognized with ASD or as something to study in the future).

And again, from what I know, BAP seems to be used to label those who have family members with autism, as BAP supports the genetic basis of autism. I don't generally see it being applied to people who don't have autistic relatives (I'm not saying that it can't be, just that it doesn't seem to be most of the time), but I'll admit that I'm no expert on it. So if you have any information about BAP relating to people who merely have autistic traits (and don't have any autistic relatives), then please post it! :)

Like I was saying in my first post, I do believe people can have tendencies of disorders, meaning they don't qualify for a diagnosis, but I don't think it's necessary to have a label for it. Most people have tendencies of multiple disorders and there aren't any labels for those. There's a reason that BAP isn't recognized as being a "real" diagnosis - because it's still to early to really call it one and to say for sure that it's part of the spectrum. (Because if we say people with autistic traits are on the spectrum, then again, that could be applied to many disorders in the DSM... And in that case, most of us would end up being on many different spectrums, as most disorders have their own spectrum as well.)


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23 Dec 2014, 12:54 am

BAP has been used to refer to people with autistic traits, but not diagnosed with autism.
It is most commonly applied to relatives of autistic people, but is also used to refer to non-relatives, like in a sample of college students, one may use a screening questionnaire like AQ or BAPQ to identify BAP people and correlate their scores with something else.
There are refs on google scholar.


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23 Dec 2014, 1:00 am

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BAP has been used to refer to people with autistic traits, but not diagnosed with autism.
It is most commonly applied to relatives of autistic people, but is also used to refer to non-relatives, like in a sample of college students, one may use a screening questionnaire like AQ or BAPQ to identify BAP people and correlate their scores with something else.
There are refs on google scholar.

That was my point. It's mainly used to describe people with autistic family members. I've yet to find any studies that actually use it to describe people without autistic family members and I've read many of them. That's why specifically asked for a link - I've been trying to find something, but I sadly just haven't been able to find anything.

That's also why I said its existence can be debated... if it doesn't have one specific definition (since apparently people use it for different meanings), how can you be sure it exists? I agree with the term to describe people with family members on the spectrum, but disagree with it being used to describe people with autistic tendencies. That's one thing I was saying in my original post... some people seem to equate BAP and being "half autistic", which is another reason why I'm not a fan of it.


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23 Dec 2014, 1:02 am

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BAP has been used to refer to people with autistic traits, but not diagnosed with autism.
It is most commonly applied to relatives of autistic people, but is also used to refer to non-relatives, like in a sample of college students, one may use a screening questionnaire like AQ or BAPQ to identify BAP people and correlate their scores with something else.
There are refs on google scholar.

That was my point. It's mainly used to describe people with autistic family members. I've yet to find any studies that actually use it to describe people without autistic family members and I've read many of them. That's why specifically asked for a link - I've been trying to find something, but I sadly just haven't been able to find anything.

That's also why I said its existence can be debated... if it doesn't have one specific definition (since apparently people use it for different meanings), how can you be sure it exists? I agree with the term to describe people with family members on the spectrum, but disagree with it being used to describe people with autistic tendencies.


If you look on google scholar, there are links to these studies with non-relatives on the first or second page of results.


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23 Dec 2014, 1:04 am

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BAP has been used to refer to people with autistic traits, but not diagnosed with autism.
It is most commonly applied to relatives of autistic people, but is also used to refer to non-relatives, like in a sample of college students, one may use a screening questionnaire like AQ or BAPQ to identify BAP people and correlate their scores with something else.
There are refs on google scholar.

That was my point. It's mainly used to describe people with autistic family members. I've yet to find any studies that actually use it to describe people without autistic family members and I've read many of them. That's why specifically asked for a link - I've been trying to find something, but I sadly just haven't been able to find anything.

That's also why I said its existence can be debated... if it doesn't have one specific definition (since apparently people use it for different meanings), how can you be sure it exists? I agree with the term to describe people with family members on the spectrum, but disagree with it being used to describe people with autistic tendencies.


If you look on google scholar, there are links to these studies with non-relatives on the first or second page of results.


No... not when I google it. That's what I'm telling you. :P
edit: Maybe we're talking about two different things? I'm not talking about studies involving control participants w/o autism diagnoses or relatives with it. Because that's all that I'm seeing...


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23 Dec 2014, 1:06 am

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BAP has been used to refer to people with autistic traits, but not diagnosed with autism.
It is most commonly applied to relatives of autistic people, but is also used to refer to non-relatives, like in a sample of college students, one may use a screening questionnaire like AQ or BAPQ to identify BAP people and correlate their scores with something else.
There are refs on google scholar.

That was my point. It's mainly used to describe people with autistic family members. I've yet to find any studies that actually use it to describe people without autistic family members and I've read many of them. That's why specifically asked for a link - I've been trying to find something, but I sadly just haven't been able to find anything.

That's also why I said its existence can be debated... if it doesn't have one specific definition (since apparently people use it for different meanings), how can you be sure it exists? I agree with the term to describe people with family members on the spectrum, but disagree with it being used to describe people with autistic tendencies.


If you look on google scholar, there are links to these studies with non-relatives on the first or second page of results.


No... not when I google it. That's what I'm telling you. :P


Google "broad autism phenotype", there is a study on the top of the second page


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23 Dec 2014, 1:18 am

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Google "broad autism phenotype", there is a study on the top of the second page


We must be getting different results then?
This study is what was on the top of the second page for me. The studies I'm seeing relate to BAP being applied to siblings (or parents) of autistic people. I still have not found the actual term to be applied to people who don't have autistic relatives yet. We're kind of derailing this thread though, so I'll PM you! :)


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23 Dec 2014, 1:26 am

Try adding "general population" to the end of the search terms.


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23 Dec 2014, 1:32 am

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Try adding "general population" to the end of the search terms.

Well this is weird? Adding that actually gave me more studies about BAP and relatives. I'm still not seeing what I'm looking for, but thanks for your help anyways. I'll just keep trying to find something.


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23 Dec 2014, 1:43 am

There is ackshuly more on BAP in general population than found in searches for the term BAP, because many researchers don't call it BAP, but they mean people in top few percent of autistic traits as measured by some screening questionnaire. I've seen many articles on pubmed about this high AQ or high scoring population.


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23 Dec 2014, 1:52 am

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There is ackshuly more on BAP in general population than found in searches for the term BAP, because many researchers don't call it BAP, but they mean people in top few percent of autistic traits as measured by some screening questionnaire. I've seen many articles on pubmed about this high AQ or high scoring population.

Yes, I'm aware; that's why I'm saying that the ones I've found so far aren't exactly what I'm looking for. I'm specifically looking for an article where it is called BAP, because if it isn't being called BAP (perhaps because these researchers know that the term is mainly applied to family members), then how can we say that BAP applies to people who don't have autistic relatives? It seems as if most researchers don't believe that the term can be applied to people who don't have autistic relatives and that people have taken the term to mean something it wasn't meant to mean.

I just find it all interesting and I wish there were more research on exactly what I'm trying to find.


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