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Do you like people first language?
Yes 13%  13%  [ 6 ]
No 33%  33%  [ 15 ]
I don't care 42%  42%  [ 19 ]
What's people first language? 11%  11%  [ 5 ]
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09 Dec 2014, 1:13 pm

I am not Autism. I am a person.

A person who happens to have an Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

Treat me like the person that I am and we'll be friends.

Treat me like a physical representation of clinical symptoms and we won't be friends.

I have a name, and my name is not "Autism".


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09 Dec 2014, 1:21 pm

I have aspergers too.

Pleased to meet with you all.


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09 Dec 2014, 1:24 pm

I'm not autism, but I am autistic.

In some ways I want to be treated like someone with autism. Like on the forums, my forum friends who know I'm autistic, know I have trouble understanding the way things are worded. Either I take it too literal or it's something conceptual I won't get. So they are careful about how to word things to me. They think I'm vary smart, but they also understand my brain works differently.

But at the same time they make me feel like part of the team. A new comer probably sees us as a clique and may even see me as one of the leaders of the clique. So they treat me as autistic where I need it and treat me like a regular person everywhere else.

I'm Ezra and I'm autistic. I'm Ezra and I have autism.

Personally I don't favor one over the other.



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09 Dec 2014, 2:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
I am not Autism. I am a person.

A person who happens to have an Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

Treat me like the person that I am and we'll be friends.

Treat me like a physical representation of clinical symptoms and we won't be friends.

I have a name, and my name is not "Autism".

I'm confused. Didn't you already essentially say this? Was someone calling you that in this thread? Restating it when others are simply commenting on how we prefer to refer to ourselves feels like passive aggressive criticism of our own preferences. Is that what you're trying to imply?



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09 Dec 2014, 2:23 pm

I guess I'm the only one who feels like being autistic defines me. I am a vegetarian because I can't stand the texture of meat. I often don't go places with my friends because it is too loud, and if I do, I wear earplugs and look like a freak. I get all As in college when everyone else is struggling to get Ds because of my above average IQ. So I think that it controls me.
Thanks guys for your input :D .



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09 Dec 2014, 9:00 pm

gamerdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I am not Autism. I am a person. A person who happens to have an Autistic Spectrum Disorder. Treat me like the person that I am and we'll be friends. Treat me like a physical representation of clinical symptoms and we won't be friends. I have a name, and my name is not "Autism".
I'm confused. Didn't you already essentially say this? Was someone calling you that in this thread? Restating it when others are simply commenting on how we prefer to refer to ourselves feels like passive aggressive criticism of our own preferences. Is that what you're trying to imply?
Is there something wrong with re-stating my opinion? Does someone have to call me anything in this thread for me to post? Are you inferring something that was not implied? Are you the new owner and chief administrator of Wrong Planet that you can question my right to post?

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09 Dec 2014, 9:21 pm

Fnord wrote:
I am not Autism. I am a person.

A person who happens to have an Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

Treat me like the person that I am and we'll be friends.

Treat me like a physical representation of clinical symptoms and we won't be friends.

I have a name, and my name is not "Autism".


Nothing I have said in this thread has implied you are anything other than a person. I don't think I'm getting this post: I don't call anyone on here "Autism", I call them by their usernames.



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09 Dec 2014, 10:34 pm

Fnord wrote:
gamerdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I am not Autism. I am a person. A person who happens to have an Autistic Spectrum Disorder. Treat me like the person that I am and we'll be friends. Treat me like a physical representation of clinical symptoms and we won't be friends. I have a name, and my name is not "Autism".
I'm confused. Didn't you already essentially say this? Was someone calling you that in this thread? Restating it when others are simply commenting on how we prefer to refer to ourselves feels like passive aggressive criticism of our own preferences. Is that what you're trying to imply?
Is there something wrong with re-stating my opinion? Does someone have to call me anything in this thread for me to post? Are you inferring something that was not implied? Are you the new owner and chief administrator of Wrong Planet that you can question my right to post?

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Your redundant posts were confusing to me. I was telling you they were confusing and asking for clarification. I wasn't telling you you couldn't restate your opinion. I wasn't saying you couldn't post in the thread any more. I probably was inferring something that you did not mean to imply, hence why I was asking for clarification. I never questioned your right to post or implied that I had the authority to.



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09 Dec 2014, 10:44 pm

lauriefrance wrote:
I guess I'm the only one who feels like being autistic defines me.


I feel like it totally defines me. It plays a part in just about every aspect of my life. It's always an issue in things one way or another.
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By the way folks, there's no reason to ague about this. Some people just see it differently than others. Doesn't make one right and the other wrong.



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09 Dec 2014, 11:10 pm

I don't really mind it much, but it is an interesting discussion.

What I find interesting is that the -tic suffix means "pertaining to" (according to the online free dictionary). "Pertaining to" can either mean "to be related/applicable to" or "to belong to something as a part". As the second definition makes more sense in the contextual usage, it would be the more likely meaning. That means that saying "I'm Autistic" could be construed as saying "I belong to Autism". As Autism does not define me, perhaps then it would be better to say "I have Autism" as it gives me ownership.

Saying "I'm Autistic" seems to flow more easily though lol


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10 Dec 2014, 2:20 am

I prefer "autistic person" to "person with autism" for myself, because the second one feels slightly dismissive of the part of me that makes up the majority of my personality. I would be a completely different person if I weren't autistic, and so to just tack it onto the end of a phrase like an afterthought or an unfortunate side-effect of my existence makes it sound as if the person is saying, "I think you're great... even though you have this unfortunate condition."

That said, I do enjoy the phrase "I have autism" just for the way it sounds when I say it; it's one of those phrases I can say over and over again just to hear the sounds, until the words lose all meaning. I don't know why.


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11 Dec 2014, 1:48 am

I self identify as Aspie-Autistic, Autisic or Aspie. I do believe that while Autism is all of who I am as it is my neurology it is damm important part of who I am. But that is me. I think it is up to the individual to call themselves how they they please because they know themselves best. That is not how it works at the moment. For the most part People first language about disabilities is mandated in journalism, education, in psychiatry. For awhile it seemed in every comment section on a blog or youtube some people first fanatic insisted only people first language could be used be used. From what I have seen this really is a one way street, I have rarely if ever seen people insist on identity first language. This was was not a trivial matter to some of us we viewed it as bullying because we viewed it as invalidating and dismissing the very core of who we are. In the threads I read the people who insisted on people first were always called out on it. In the last few months the correctors have disappeared from the threads I read.


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11 Dec 2014, 11:53 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I self identify as Aspie-Autistic, Autisic or Aspie. I do believe that while Autism is all of who I am as it is my neurology it is damm important part of who I am. But that is me. I think it is up to the individual to call themselves how they they please because they know themselves best. That is not how it works at the moment. For the most part People first language about disabilities is mandated in journalism, education, in psychiatry. For awhile it seemed in every comment section on a blog or youtube some people first fanatic insisted only people first language could be used be used. From what I have seen this really is a one way street, I have rarely if ever seen people insist on identity first language. This was was not a trivial matter to some of us we viewed it as bullying because we viewed it as invalidating and dismissing the very core of who we are. In the threads I read the people who insisted on people first were always called out on it. In the last few months the correctors have disappeared from the threads I read.


Don't you just love NTs telling is what language we're supposed to find offensive. :roll:

Here's a great quote from Stuart Duncan "If a person calls themself 'autistic' and you tell them they have to use 'person first language'... you're not putting the person first."



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11 Dec 2014, 12:02 pm

You could say, an odd thing is also that if you insist to say "person with", you could ask: isn't it obvious in itself that we speak about a "person" - or is it in one way or another not obvious that the eg. "autistic boy" is a person - isn't it included in "boy" anyway? Isn't it a bit strange that you have to point it out?

You could consider that offensive as well, if you want to.



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11 Dec 2014, 8:05 pm

Fnord wrote:
Zajie wrote:
What does people first language mean?...
It's the practice of putting the person before the disability.

For instance, saying that a person is Autistic is hurtful in the sense that it defines the person by the disorder, which is wrong because defining people by their disorders is the same as defining people by the color of their skin -- it is bigotry, plain and simple.

A "People First" form would be to say that the person has Autism, or has a disorder on the Autistic spectrum.

So which is more correct: "I have the flu" or "I am fluic"?

The answer should be obvious. :roll:


So Bill Cosby is a "person with Blackness", and you are "a person with maleness", and "a person with Americanness", and the Pope is "a person with Catholocity"? Lol!

Seriously. What does wasting eight syllables saying someone is "a person with aspergers" accomplish that using three syllable to say that the said person is "an aspie" doesnt accomplish? Nothing but waste breath.



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16 Dec 2014, 5:12 am

Don't you just love NTs telling is what language we're supposed to find offensive. :roll:

It's not always NT's but usually is.

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