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15 Dec 2014, 11:32 pm

@Transyl I have sent pm. thank you so much.
@kraftiekortie I must thank you. You have cheered me up so much. I hope I will post good topic or good reply.
@SpirosD I'm totally with you. Maybe we are just too early to appear. Possibly or probably, our difference will disappear. Wow! you are from france! I like France so much. Because I learn French now and sadly they're translated ones but I feel sympathy with french poems.
@olympiadis Honestly, I have gotten this idea, subconscious, from my own studying in physics and mathematics. It is own studying, so it's not proper. Don't believe bellow as exact thing.
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There is long one and short one. Long one is normal vector. And short one is subvector.
A moving ball can change her direction slightly with this subvector, that is my imagination.
I want to try to describe moving bicycle's balance without inertia.
And I try to think subvector.
A subvector also has own three dimension and own time. There's another 4 dimension.
I hope I can apply this superstring theory or something in proper studying in physics.
Like subvector, I'm trying to construct mathematics not with a Set but with a subset.
And I have started to think that I'm different from normal people because I have not conscious but subconscious 'mainly', and I have thought people with autism condition may have same nature.
And I posted this topic.
Now I think possibly subconscious is working in small parts in a brain.
We have only one brain and minibrains, subbrains.
Difference between normal people and us is possibly subbrains' activated or not.

I'm sorry I have written wrong category, unlrelated discussion. I should post this reply perhaps in "Computers, Math, Science, and Technology" or "Random Discussion"

@cash_ I think it is hard time when we are picked out. It's lonely. No help around us.



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15 Dec 2014, 11:46 pm

In all the time I've spent with normal kids on the teen forum, I'm surprised how little difference there is, at least in that environment. I'd say what separates me the most is my lack of social ability and my hyper sensory issues.



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16 Dec 2014, 12:23 am

@EzraS Oh! you are 14! I'm 25. There's 11. Nice to meet you. I hope you will be well with your nature. Yes, it's difficult, social ability and making sensory issue, hyper one.



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16 Dec 2014, 12:35 am

MathIm wrote:
But, subconsciously, odd people is normal people, and we are the standard people.
Can't we be a standard?
How do you think?
Can't we construct different society?.


@MathIm I forgot to respond to your question in your very insightful post!

I agree with your take on the subconscious. However, with regard to constructing a different society, I'm not sure? Everyone is so different, we don't all express ourselves in the same way. That's what makes us "nuerodiverse". I think Ezra alluded to the likelihood that the difference in thinking between two autistic individuals can be greater than between some autistic people and NTs.



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16 Dec 2014, 3:08 am

@cyberdad
I agree with you as well.
I don't think we can construct a sciety.
Only one sciety.
But still I think we can construct societies.
Much more diverse society, societies.
"nuerodiverse"
I see its word exactly just now.
It is difficult to say but in this societies, subsosciety, we need not to be same.
Just tolerant in and for our difference especially for difference of hobby and studying.

er... :oops: I finaly get it.
I'm so sorry to Ezra for my misunderstanding.
And thank you cyberdad for your kind correcting.

It must be a big problem for us.
If I can, I want to fix it as much as I can till Ezra growing much more.
Because I have felt worse and worse in my growing.

Though I don't want to be misunderstood.
I think a child has a force much more than an adult, and a baby has much much more.
So if I can change the world, it belongs childs like Ezra much more.
I'm so sorry I'm too boastful to Mr?Ms? Ezra.

I think we have a same expression way like a question and a offer.
We need at least one society which is held with our style question and offer.
A question with only one literal meaning.
A offer with implicit meanings even though it is only one as asking.



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16 Dec 2014, 5:18 am

MathIm wrote:
er... :oops: I finaly get it.
I'm so sorry to Ezra for my misunderstanding.
And thank you cyberdad for your kind correcting.

It must be a big problem for us.
If I can, I want to fix it as much as I can till Ezra growing much more.
Because I have felt worse and worse in my growing.

Though I don't want to be misunderstood.
I think a child has a force much more than an adult, and a baby has much much more.
So if I can change the world, it belongs childs like Ezra much more.
I'm so sorry I'm too boastful to Mr?Ms? Ezra..


Please don't apologise !
Your posts are very insightful and even change the way I see autism. I also appreciate your polite and refined manners :) Unfortunately we westerners have dreadful manners due to our arrogance :(



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16 Dec 2014, 8:16 am

Hmm... I am finding it difficult to understand OP's posts. Can someone here who sorta "gets" what he is saying summarize his ideas for the rest of us?



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16 Dec 2014, 8:53 am

Can I take a 'guess'?? XD For 'interpreting'?

MathIm wrote:
I think we have subconscious consciously.
We have subconscious self.
Subconsicous self is so sensitive.
There's almost no trivial things for us.

Trivial things... Possibly unlike the desire of the majority for power, fame, and money? As we take ours regardless the value as equal?? Does this involve the overly-detailed thinking?? And the black-and-white thinking?
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Our continuous phenomenon isn't continuous but continual for people with conscious, Normal people.
So, for example in dance, normal people appear to dance continuous movement for us, but for normal people it is continual movement.
We can't mimic their behaviour, because in continuous view it is so complicated motion.

Another example is their ever infamous body language. XD? The 'continuous' motion... The "flow"... Where NTs go with the 'flow'. XD It's something we kept missing.
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Limited motion for nomal people is infinite motion for us.
As well,
Limited thinking for them is infinite thinking for us.
Limited custom for them is infinite custom for us.
We can't follow them.
It is too much.

The subconscious ties, particularly on culture - the customs and thinking? The thinking outside the box, the other perspective...?

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But, subconsciously, odd people is normal people, and we are the standard people.
Can't we be a standard?

Well, this one is a matter of perspective. The majority doesn't consider the other normal as standard because they never experienced it, they cannot be in 'our shoes'.
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How do you think?

Can't we construct different society?
I hope no coflict.
If there's a conflict, I want to give up.
A conflict is too much for us, subconscious.

The conflict... Conflict of insisting one's self individuality, OUR social construct, in hopes of going along with the majority's standards. Or give up upon the 'reality' and conform as the majority is against minority's standards?

Please correct me XD


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16 Dec 2014, 10:14 am

I have reconsidered my opinion.
I mistreated a size.
Community of autism is rather farm than I considered first.
We need not to construct new one.
Though we are a unique side for a normal side.
hyper sensory issue, lack of social ability, diverse difference.
Already existed in real society.

I'm amazed very much in metacognition.
For us important point is not a subconscious, but a metacognition I feel.
I'll try to learn more than the page of it on wikipedia.



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16 Dec 2014, 2:30 pm

MathIm wrote:
Community of autism is rather farm than I considered first.
We need not to construct new one.
For us important point is not a subconscious, but a metacognition I feel.
I'll try to learn more than the page of it on wikipedia.


the word "farm" throws me off and I can't tell what you're saying there. But, maybe it's not a big deal.

In the subconscious the computation is done automatically. All the information and computation that allows you to ride a bicycle is in the subconscious, so you don't have to think about it. The needed information just comes to your conscious thought/mind intuitively.

I don't feel like I reside in the subconscious at all. I feel as though my conscious thought has constructed massive filters in order to block most of what happens in the subconscious. Perhaps the information from the subconscious is just too intense to handle in real-time, and thus the need for the mind to develop defenses such as filters to keep in in check.

There are times that I feel very much in my subconscious, but most of the time my conscious mind tries to run away from or hide from the subconscious.
Both physical sensation and emotion come up from the subconscious into conscious thought and awareness.
This can not only be overwhelming, but also greatly interferes with the ability to focus on strictly logical thought.
Like I said, I think this situation causes us to develop a strong psychological split between conscious and subconscious by way of the construction of filtering mechanisms that I also call "inhibitions" that do a combination of slowing and deflecting information coming from the subconscious.

Many chemicals/drugs have a way of lowering or breaking down these inhibitions so that there is much more connection between the subconscious and our conscious awareness. I have seen posted here that many people have observed that the use of some drugs seems to make them less autistic and more normal.

Otherwise, I think autistics are in what I call a "super sober" state of consciousness with a great amount of inhibition.
They are rather disconnected from a large amount of intuitive information and emotion that is trying to come up through the subconscious. The disconnection can be by multiple methods such as filtering, or by time displacement, where the intuition/emotion may just be significantly delayed in entering into the conscious awareness.



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16 Dec 2014, 5:31 pm

olympiadis wrote:

Many chemicals/drugs have a way of lowering or breaking down these inhibitions so that there is much more connection between the subconscious and our conscious awareness. I have seen posted here that many people have observed that the use of some drugs seems to make them less autistic and more normal.



What are these drugs and why is more research not being conducted on this?



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16 Dec 2014, 7:13 pm

rugulach wrote:
olympiadis wrote:

Many chemicals/drugs have a way of lowering or breaking down these inhibitions so that there is much more connection between the subconscious and our conscious awareness. I have seen posted here that many people have observed that the use of some drugs seems to make them less autistic and more normal.



What are these drugs and why is more research not being conducted on this?



I hope you didn't take that the wrong way.
It is generally known that several drugs and things like alcohol can lower inhibitions.
Several people here on WP have claimed that the use of pot helps them.
Neither of these things suggests that these effects are really that "good" for you, and I'm not suggesting them.



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16 Dec 2014, 8:54 pm

Nothing at all other than a neurological disorder.



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17 Dec 2014, 7:29 am

(@olympiadis)
Your language is so beautiful and reliable.
Really correctly constructed and I feel so good to read your post.
I'm so relieved.

Your post is absolutely correct for me, I agree with your post for my whole reasoning.
But still I have a different point about subconscious.
I think it isn't automatical.
I don't know about the correct rate, but I guess 1/4 or the like among us may have more unstable brain function.
And that may be subconscious or perhaps a part of it.
Our major 1/2 feel it only as shaddow to real awareness.
And 1/8 may have much more unstable brain function and something more different.

If so, our real conscious is only just a shaddow and imaginary thing for more normal people than us.
On wikipedia, it is written that prevalence of autism is 1-2 per 1,000.
Then 2-4 per 1,000 has little awareness around awareness we have strictly.
They have rather quasi-awareness.
Even though, quasi-awareness must have reflection or shaddow from exactly our level awareness.
And can behave like us.
Probably, people have exact awareness are not only us but also among different psychiatric spectrum and possibly also physically handicapped people like deaf people.

I feel we need their, normal people's, psychiatric help but maybe we can be their psychiatric-like help for them as well.
Probably it isn't psychiatry if there's medical care from us to them.

I think my opinion is only just an additional case for you.

I'm very interested in your writing.
I hope to study your opinions.
And you have 856 posts.
If you don't mind, I want to try to read them eargerly.

Supposedly, a great amount of inhibition occur because autistics' awareness is so similar and near, perhaps as scale of brain function, to subconscious.
So, to be normal, a human need to be far, I mean large brain function ,from subconscious.
Enough Large brain function comparing to subconscious brain function.

So I have an additional view about disconnection from intuitive information and emotion through the subconscious.
Normal people can cut off such information and emotion Exponentially.
Like physical force goes weaker very quickly along distance.
Because it is not poroportional to distance^1 but distance^2.
But autistics must cut off them directly, probably along constant factor.
Or worse case, autistics cut off them only constant amount(but strongly).
Not product but addition.
I mean not division but subtraction.

@Dillogic
yes.
But, if we understand that neurological disorder more correctly, probably we can act more normally.
Although it is rather hopeless.
Because it is rather an alternative theory for psychiatry.
And almost all such kind things were failed in our history I suppose.

:heart:

And I'm sorry I have mistaken a spelling, it's not "farm" but "firm".
Though I'm worry about it now.
It sounds offensive.



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17 Dec 2014, 7:45 am

rugulach wrote:
Hmm... I am finding it difficult to understand OP's posts. Can someone here who sorta "gets" what he is saying summarize his ideas for the rest of us?

Please don't be rude. The OP clearly understands English. I notice most of the responses here either ignore the OP and talk about themselves or choose to deliberately poke holes in the OPs posts. This perfectly illustrates my point about western arrogance. I can perfectly understand what the OP is trying to convey. The posts are beautifully written.

Tip: I think it's easier if you ask the OP yourself short questions that require short direct answers.



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17 Dec 2014, 9:17 am

Normal is doing what someone else expects. Sometimes I am normal and sometimes I am not. Through all of that I am 'me' no matter what I choose to do, normal or not.