Circumcision doubles autism risk, study claims
Let me just stop you there
If you do enough trials on the population of 300,000+ people (and the study is all done appropriately with matched controls), and you keep on ending up with double the risk, then something is amiss.
A severe mental [and corresponding physical] reaction to bodily trauma does seem like a possible reason for developing a condition that is shown to have multiple causes (eMedicine).
It's a pretty dumb interpretation, you just like it because it confirms your existing biases.
The problem with the study, which does do controls, is that the authors didn't get the results they wanted (positive ones). Their sample size was too small. 300,000 people sounds like a lot, but circumcision is rare and autism is rare, so they only found 124 circumcised autistic boys. All their 95% confidence intervals are quite wide, and most overlap 1, meaning they cannot be confident that there isn't actually a decrease.
I think the most interesting thing here is that their "best results" came on children under 4. To me, this implies that the circumcised children were diagnosed earlier, perhaps because their family were more willing to see a doctor.
No, the authors must have an agenda, especially after witnessing the success that anti-vaxers had when vaccinations were falsely linked with Autism.
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The problem with the study, which does do controls, is that the authors didn't get the results they wanted (positive ones). Their sample size was too small. 300,000 people sounds like a lot, but circumcision is rare and autism is rare, so they only found 124 circumcised autistic boys. All their 95% confidence intervals are quite wide, and most overlap 1, meaning they cannot be confident that there isn't actually a decrease.
I think the most interesting thing here is that their "best results" came on children under 4. To me, this implies that the circumcised children were diagnosed earlier, perhaps because their family were more willing to see a doctor.
What bias? You mean disliking having bits of your dong cut off as a child? Call me biased then, though not for this study, as I haven't read it, and I'm speculating that it could be a cause*. You assume too much, which is pretty dumb.
Nonetheless, I think it's a stretch, albeit childhood trauma could be implicated in developing, or increasing, an ASD. I have to read the study.
*It's common for external stressors to increase autistic symptoms, and say if a child with a subclinical ASD is exposed to one, they may then worsen, which will negatively affect their social development at an early age, increasing to a handicap
Lol. That's all I have to say for it. Statistics, statistics.
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They are theorizing the early pain messed up senses. And there backup is that Israel diagnosis is earlier. As a circumcised Autistic I obviously have a personal interest to see what if any follow up studies find. Speaking of the press it is very noticeable they are eager to publish studies which seem to prove the idea that stated by Bruno Bettelheim that somebody did something wrong against perfectly normal cute kids that caused them to be autistic be it "refrigerator mother", procreate too late, vaccine and now circumcision. I am trying to remember the last study "proving " genetic involvement that I read about in the mainstream media. .
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The claim - which I already debunked above, if you are in any doubt about whether I am supporting it or not - is not "all autism is caused by circumcision", it is "circumcised men are more likely to have autism than uncircumcised men". This is perfectly consistent with uncircumcised men with autism existing, and women with autism existing. In the same way, white people are more likely to get skin cancer than black people, but nobody goes around declaring that UV radiation cannot cause skin cancer.
For those interested, they controlled for "cultural background" (whether they had an ancestor from a majority-Islamic country), but not income or trust of doctors or anything like that.
The problem with the study, which does do controls, is that the authors didn't get the results they wanted (positive ones). Their sample size was too small. 300,000 people sounds like a lot, but circumcision is rare and autism is rare, so they only found 124 circumcised autistic boys. All their 95% confidence intervals are quite wide, and most overlap 1, meaning they cannot be confident that there isn't actually a decrease.
I think the most interesting thing here is that their "best results" came on children under 4. To me, this implies that the circumcised children were diagnosed earlier, perhaps because their family were more willing to see a doctor.
What bias? You mean disliking having bits of your dong cut off as a child? Call me biased then, though not for this study, as I haven't read it, and I'm speculating that it could be a cause*. You assume too much, which is pretty dumb.
Even if this is true, couldn't it just be possible that there is a genetic link among ethnic Jews? Some disorders are more prevalent in specific ethnic communities. I'm not saying there IS a disproportionate number of autistic Jews (though I am one) but it's more plausible to me than any notion that circumcision, or any post-birth environmental factor, "causes" autism rather than it being something you are born with.
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This sounds like a very plausible explanation. Here is a wiki on international circumscision rates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision
In 2011, circumcision was one of the most common procedures performed during hospital stays in the U.S. There were approximately 1.1 million hospitalizations with a circumcision, a rate of 36 stays per 10,000 population. This was a decrease of 16% from 1997, when there was a rate of 43 stays per 10,000 population. It was the second-most common procedure performed on patients under one year of age.[27]
In 2005, about 56 percent of male newborns were circumcised prior to release from the hospital according to statistics from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality.[28]
Data from a national survey conducted from 1999 to 2002 found that the overall prevalence of male circumcision in the United States was 79%.[29] 91% of boys born in the 1970s, and 83% of boys born in the 1980s were circumcised.[29] An earlier survey, conducted in 1992, found a circumcision prevalence of 77% in US-born men, born from 1932–1974, including 81% of non-Hispanic White men, 65% of Black men, and 54% of Hispanic men, vs. 42% of non U.S. born men who were circumcised.[30]
The circumscision rate in the U.S. is consistently pretty high, although it wanders around, possibly due to the ever-changing demographics of the U.S. But in any case, circumcision in the U.S. is uncoupled from religion. Boys from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds get circumcised.
In Denmark, circumscision is rare. I only have that one data point (since I didn't google in great depth) but I have no reason to believe it represents some sort of giant drop from an otherwise much higher rate. This means that in Denmark, unlike the U.S., circumscision will be tied tightly to religion and ethnicity. So the study could actually be showing what you say- that certain ethnic groups have a higher autism rate and are also more likely to circumcise. Some might think they have a higher autism rate because they circumcise but there isn't any evidence of that (this study isn't evidence of that).
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