Feeling ashamed about past social blunders

There were a couple times I did realize I said something that was really stupid immediately afterwards, and I was so embarrassed that I had to put up my hood and put my head on my desk (or basically hide myself in some other way). That's basically the same way I feel when I remember stuff like that now, even if it was years ago.
Does anyone else experience this?
I often feel this is why kids were mean to me and didn't have respect for me. This is why I also feel maybe some of the bullying I got was my fault. Respect is given until they prove they do not deserve it and I proved to those kids I didn't deserve it so I got disrespect. This is one of the reasons why we are targets for bullying and teasing and harassment. I also think this is why kids avoided me and didn't want me around or want me at their house and this wasn't them being mean.
Realizing all this gives me closure and I can move on and not have hurt feelings. Besides I was no angel either and I did do some stuff that was mean and there was no trigger for it, I just did it because I wanted to and didn't know the reason why. Yeah some of it was learned behavior but I always had to get a consequence for it so I had to learn the hard way. I eventually figured out if I don't like how someone treated me, don't do that to other people because it's probably wrong what they did. It's a start. By 6th grade one of the reasons why my peers didn't want me around is because they didn't want to be responsible for my behavior because I didn't know where the line was drawn and when to stop when they do a certain behavior and they knew I would just copy it and do it at the wrong time and then say "How come they get to do it and I can't" or say "but they did it." They didn't want to modify their behavior for me and watch what they say to me or how they treat me or each other. So they would tell me to go away which probably wasn't them trying to be mean because they were kids and didn't know what to do or how to be tact about it. I probably did't get their hints and they picked up on that so they got blunt about it by telling me to leave, go away in those exact words.
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At youth, I don't seem to have a sense of shame. As I grow older and more aware, I end up being more self-conscious.
Then afterwards, the social blunders reminds me that I can't be them. My sister asserts I'm not the only one who gets to have mistakes. But really, unlike me, theirs is short-term. Sometimes down right beneficial. They learn from social blunders, I couldn't. Or at least not yet. If I forced myself, it'll only give me an urge to slap myself.
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I often feel this is why kids were mean to me and didn't have respect for me. This is why I also feel maybe some of the bullying I got was my fault. Respect is given until they prove they do not deserve it and I proved to those kids I didn't deserve it so I got disrespect. This is one of the reasons why we are targets for bullying and teasing and harassment. I also think this is why kids avoided me and didn't want me around or want me at their house and this wasn't them being mean.
There is definitely significant truth to this as it relates to adults but for kids I think this is a dangerous line of thinking. I think it is important to teach all kids about proper social customs and we should not expect kids to always want to associate with all types of kids all the time. But as media geniuses Trey Parker and Matt Stone have noted, kids can be worse than any adults when it comes to forming packs like hyenas and tearing apart the weaker man/woman for any reason. With kids, yes, teach them about not being mean and hold neuro-atypicals to the same expectations as their peers when it comes to not being mean. But considering this an important reason is often a mistake and leads kids to internalize how they are treated when it is in the end more likely that other kids were attacking him or her because he/she did not fit their mold of what a perfect kid should look or sound like.
I also have flashbacks like this. They come out of blue, without any reason. They involve my past embarrassing moments. I can for example simply sit in my room and read but suddenly I see in front of my eyes a clear memory of how I did something really stupid. It makes me feel awful. I want to hit myself or hide under ground. That's a weird feeling. I know past is in the past and I can't fix what happened years ago and I even know everything worked out and people forgave me. But the feeling I experience falls outside logic and is unendurable.
I have a method to get rid of it as soon as it appears but unfortunately the method is similar to tics, or maybe those are tics triggered by the flashbacks? Can tics be voluntary?
As soon as I start feeling that way I either squeeze my eyes, shake my head, hiss or meow once. Any of those is enough to make the feeling go away, together with the whole memory. And after the tic I have trouble remembering what exactly the memory was about. All I know is that it was so intensive it made me tic and the tic gave me relieve. I can remember if I focus enough but I don't do it because I don't want the feeling back.
Fortunately it doesn't happen too often. Maybe a few times a year.
I have a method to get rid of it as soon as it appears but unfortunately the method is similar to tics, or maybe those are tics triggered by the flashbacks? Can tics be voluntary?
As soon as I start feeling that way I either squeeze my eyes, shake my head, hiss or meow once. Any of those is enough to make the feeling go away, together with the whole memory. And after the tic I have trouble remembering what exactly the memory was about. All I know is that it was so intensive it made me tic and the tic gave me relieve. I can remember if I focus enough but I don't do it because I don't want the feeling back.
Fortunately it doesn't happen too often. Maybe a few times a year.
I've been thinking about the voluntary tics thing. I do that too. When I get the feeling you described I clinch my teeth, close my eyes, tilt my head back quickly, and sometimes say a word or phrase (usually from the memory itself), and it makes the feeling temporarily go away. I try to control it in public, but sometimes it still slips out and embarrasses me, and becomes yet another social blunder

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It might be that you thought your mom wanted to mold you into something she can show off as a visual example of her accomplishments and use you as an example of how superior her family is. I think sufferers of ASD possibly come more often from families like this or that have a perception of being these kinds of families. Sometimes when ASD sufferers are being corrected it is by someone who thinks they are a lesser human and/or wants to turn them into a sort of perfect trophy to show off, so naturally they feel whoever is doing the correcting is just being a complete tool even if what they are saying isn't wrong. And sometimes they feel that the person doing the correcting is trying to mold them into something they are not even if they have their best interests in mind.
So sadly this seems like another effect of the communication barrier that needs to be broken somehow. The obsession with eliminating imperfections in humanity may be the best place to start.
I don't think it's about molding, it's about teaching them manners and respect. All parents do this. Like if a child asks their relative "Did you get me anything?" the parent corrects their child on that blunder. I remember my mom making me apologize to people and most of the time I didn't even understand why I was apologizing and then I just learned to do it by rote so I was always apologizing because I had learned whenever someone gets mad at you or whenever you hurt someone you apologize and I didn't really understand. I learned when you are rude or mean, you say your sorry but I didn't understand you were supposed to mean it. I just saw it as something you do so kids started telling me in high school "No you're not" and it would confuse me and online I was told by other autistic people it's lying because you are pretending and I was so surprised when my mom told me those people are correct. But but but she was the one who taught me this and now she is saying those people are correct? I was so confused and didn't know how to ask her about all this. But my husband told me "You were supposed to mean it." That was what I was missing as a kid. Could my mom have taught me a better way about apologies as a child if she knew I wasn't understanding?
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There are two social blunders that have stuck with me through the years. One was the incident that I've told my entire Grade 7 music in a very loud voice that the teacher was Gay, because I didn't know what to make of my own gender issues. The other incident was when I've told a science teacher at my high school that I really liked his shorts, because I thought his new haircut suited him.
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It might be that you thought your mom wanted to mold you into something she can show off as a visual example of her accomplishments and use you as an example of how superior her family is. I think sufferers of ASD possibly come more often from families like this or that have a perception of being these kinds of families. Sometimes when ASD sufferers are being corrected it is by someone who thinks they are a lesser human and/or wants to turn them into a sort of perfect trophy to show off, so naturally they feel whoever is doing the correcting is just being a complete tool even if what they are saying isn't wrong. And sometimes they feel that the person doing the correcting is trying to mold them into something they are not even if they have their best interests in mind.
So sadly this seems like another effect of the communication barrier that needs to be broken somehow. The obsession with eliminating imperfections in humanity may be the best place to start.
I don't think it's about molding, it's about teaching them manners and respect. All parents do this. Like if a child asks their relative "Did you get me anything?" the parent corrects their child on that blunder. I remember my mom making me apologize to people and most of the time I didn't even understand why I was apologizing and then I just learned to do it by rote so I was always apologizing because I had learned whenever someone gets mad at you or whenever you hurt someone you apologize and I didn't really understand. I learned when you are rude or mean, you say your sorry but I didn't understand you were supposed to mean it. I just saw it as something you do so kids started telling me in high school "No you're not" and it would confuse me and online I was told by other autistic people it's lying because you are pretending and I was so surprised when my mom told me those people are correct. But but but she was the one who taught me this and now she is saying those people are correct? I was so confused and didn't know how to ask her about all this. But my husband told me "You were supposed to mean it." That was what I was missing as a kid. Could my mom have taught me a better way about apologies as a child if she knew I wasn't understanding?
There is a difference between molding and teaching respect and manners. I think that all parents should teach respect and manners of some kind. But the line between trying to mold a child into something he is not so that they can feel good about themselves versus teaching proper treatment and decency. When parents are open and candid with their children who have ASD and admonish them fro improper behavior and take the time to explain it when ASD kids don't always understand it, then we can be sure those parents are simply trying to teach the best possible behavior. If they try and keep kids in the dark about it, then I feel there needs to be suspicion about their motives. That is going to sound awfully insensitive I know but I am becoming convinced of this.
In 12th grade I went to sleep during class while there was a guest speaker talking to our class. I seriously did not think it was big deal at all, considering what he was talking about didn't really apply to me anyway. But after the bell rang, the teacher said, "Can I talk to you in the hallway?" I still had no idea anything was wrong, and when we got out into the hallway he told me, "I am just livid." I was shocked because he didn't look mad at all. I almost asked, "Why?" But I was so confused that I just stared at him. He proceeded to tell me I was the most disrespectful student he'd ever seen. I was still genuinely confused, but I didn't want to make it worse by asking what the big deal was, so I just continued to say nothing. It wasn't until he actually told me, "He took time out of his day and came here to talk to you guys, and you just sleep through the whole thing." He proceeded to tell me more about how "livid" he was, and that he just could not believe I would do something so disrespectful. I just stared. Then he told me to go to my next class.
I was kind of mad, because I was still thinking, "Nothing he was talking about even applied to me, I'm not taking the AP test." But now I realize, it's not like he would have known that. And even if he did, I guess it is pretty disrespectful to sleep through someone's presentation that they specifically made for our small class. When I asked others about it they all said it made sense that he was mad.
Somewhat ironically, he was the psychology teacher. He was also the baseball coach, who told me after I went to one tryout, "You have about as much of a chance of getting on the team as I do becoming president tomorrow." No no, don't sugarcoat it at all, tell me what you really think I didn't really want to play anyway, I just wanted to be able to say I tried.
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I used to fall asleep in class all the time in high school involuntarily. I just couldn't sit and listen for long periods of the time because it always made me sleepy. Even sitting in one spot would make me sleepy and I wasn't even allowed to pace. Then teachers wondered why I was always falling asleep in class. They wouldn't let me do computer either or let me play my Game Boy and I told them I need activity to keep me awake and they didn't listen. Reading a book would just put me to sleep too. I have no idea why I have this issue.
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If I offend someone, I don't give a s**t. It's their choice, their attitudes, that control if they are offended, not my behavior.
I agree with this.
I'm not sure I'd call it shame, but I definitely feel extremely embarrassed about my past social blunders, and it hasn't got any less over time. None of it should matter any more. It's all a long way in the past, I've learned from my mistakes and I'm a lot more careful (and reclusive) these days, but I can't think of my blunders without feeling bad all over again, as if it were yesterday. I'm not going to give any examples.
I guess it's no great mystery. If we were robots then we would simply be glad of the information and use it to improve our performance, but for a human being to fail socially, that really feels upsetting. It's only to be expected that humans are programmed to take their social successes and failures very seriously, given the importance of co-operation to the survival of the species.
But if I get the feeling that somebody is just being plain rotten (taking pleasure from hurting others, or selfishly helping themselves to way more than their fair share of the cake), then as far as I'm concerned they are enemies, and if I hurt their feelings or weird them out, I see that as a good thing.....we're not going to like each other, so there's nothing to lose. I still wonder why rotten people so rarely get the crap kicked out of them.
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