Alan Turing Movie - The Imitation Game

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29 Jan 2015, 1:59 am

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"no one ever says what they mean, but they expect everyone to know what they're talking about, only I never do"


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so obviously autistic that I can't understand how they could be included if the writers hadn't intended to make him autistic.


There we go.

If they had plainly said the truth then we might not be talking so much about it now.
Deception requires more communications and interactions.


That actually makes sense in a depressingly twisted kind of way. So the writers effectively deliberately denied his autism in order to generate discussion. That's annoying.

Even if that were the only reason for their denying it, it still bothers me when they refuse to "label" a character (or portrayal of an actual person) for fear of "limiting them to that diagnosis." That's offensive to me; I am more than a collection of symptoms, more than just "Asperger's girl" because of my traits. Many NTs seem to have a hard time understanding that a person with a diagnosis is more than just that label; they're still a real person with an infinite number of possibilities and unique traits.


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20 Feb 2015, 3:54 pm

Yep the fictional character was just that. And outside of two people nobody was giving Autism diagnosis in the early 1940's so if you decry the inaccuracies you have to agree with the decision not to label him Autistic. Call the character what you please but the message was extremely positive towered difference and specifically our type of difference.


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20 Feb 2015, 8:54 pm

Loved the movie, reading his biography now "Alan Turing, The Enigma" by Andrew Hodges (2014) Interesting that as a child he taught himself to read in 3 weeks - hyperlexia - aged 4. Later his headmaster described him as "apt to be solitary, due to shyness" and said of him as a teenager that "he is slightly less dirty and untidy in his habits", lacking "esprit de corps" (he wasn't a team player). Interested in science from a very early age. He was unable to play team games at school and asked to be excused on grounds of inability at sports; he had trouble being dressed tidily or staying tidy. He seemed to be ignoring the teachers in class but came top of all the exams, which baffled the staff.

In 1927 the headmaster wrote: He is the kind of boy who is bound to be rather a problem in any kind of school or community, being in some respects definitely anti-social. But I think .. he has a good chance of developing his special interests.. Turing was aged 16 at the time.

My view: definitely high functioning aspergers.

PS I too baffled my teachers by coming top of exams despite seeming to be "miles away" most of the time. It baffled me as well, at the time. I was able somehow to split my consciousness so that I could think my own thoughts simultaneously with listening and committing to memory automatically whatever they were saying. I have often wondered if this is because I am ambidextrous, and use both sides of the brain equally - but it remains a mystery.



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20 Feb 2015, 10:12 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18419691

The human significance of Turing's work - millions and millions of lives saved, 14 million plus.



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21 Feb 2015, 2:57 am

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21 Feb 2015, 3:06 am

Ohhhh... every night as a child and adolescent at school, he ate an apple at bedtime. And he died by eating an apple which he poisoned with cyanide. So the picture is super-meaningful. :cry:



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21 Feb 2015, 3:57 am

Remember that this was a movie and an actors interpretation of Turing. It is not real life.

People who break codes are usually eccentric, non-rules followers and geeks, this does not make them aspies. A Swedish codebreaker (Arne Beurling) from the same era who broke similarly complex German machine called Geheimschreiber did it in 2 weeks using pen and paper in solitude in the Swedish archipelago. I can understand how some would like to portray Arne as an Aspie, geeking out on mathmatics and crypto, but he liked being social and he had fistfights with some of his colleges (According to the book "Svenska Kryptobedrifter"), these are not Aspie traits.

Learning yourself how to read in 3 weeks is not exclusive to (a select few) aspies, it is a trait of something else called being intelligent.



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21 Feb 2015, 4:23 am

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Remember that this was a movie and an actors interpretation of Turing. It is not real life.

People who break codes are usually eccentric, non-rules followers and geeks, this does not make them aspies. A Swedish codebreaker (Arne Beurling) from the same era who broke similarly complex German machine called Geheimschreiber did it in 2 weeks using pen and paper in solitude in the Swedish archipelago. I can understand how some would like to portray Arne as an Aspie, geeking out on mathmatics and crypto, but he liked being social and he had fistfights with some of his colleges (According to the book "Svenska Kryptobedrifter"), these are not Aspie traits.

I was relying on information, as I think I made clear, from a very thorough BIOGRAPHY of Turing, so your comment about remembering this "was a movie and an actor's interpretation" which implies that any view but yours is not based on real life is simply wrong, the biographer has thoroughly researched Turing's real life...

Learning yourself how to read in 3 weeks is not exclusive to (a select few) aspies, it is a trait of something else called being intelligent.


It seems quite common for HFA's to be self-taught early readers, I take it this was not your experience? You cite one code breaker who is not on the spectrum, as if that's proof Turing could not have been? Tony Attwood thinks Turing probably was on the spectrum, and that's my opinion too. Yes, HFAs are intelligent also. I know that, thank you for telling me what I already know..

http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/index.php ... -papers&It



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21 Feb 2015, 4:48 am

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Remember that this was a movie and an actors interpretation of Turing. It is not real life.

People who break codes are usually eccentric, non-rules followers and geeks, this does not make them aspies. A Swedish codebreaker (Arne Beurling) from the same era who broke similarly complex German machine called Geheimschreiber did it in 2 weeks using pen and paper in solitude in the Swedish archipelago. I can understand how some would like to portray Arne as an Aspie, geeking out on mathmatics and crypto, but he liked being social and he had fistfights with some of his colleges (According to the book "Svenska Kryptobedrifter"), these are not Aspie traits.

I was relying on information, as I think I made clear, from a very thorough BIOGRAPHY of Turing, so your comment about remembering this "was a movie and an actor's interpretation" which implies that any view but yours is not based on real life is simply wrong, the biographer has thoroughly researched Turing's real life...

Learning yourself how to read in 3 weeks is not exclusive to (a select few) aspies, it is a trait of something else called being intelligent.


It seems quite common for HFA's to be self-taught early readers, I take it this was not your experience? You cite one code breaker who is not on the spectrum, as if that's proof Turing could not have been? Tony Attwood thinks Turing probably was on the spectrum, and that's my opinion too. Yes, HFAs are intelligent also. I know that, thank you for telling me what I already know..

http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/index.php ... -papers&It


I could write a serious response to this, but you disqualified yourself to one given your pointless post in another thread.



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21 Feb 2015, 4:52 am

I based my comments on a serious biography, not the movie as you implied. I cited the biography.

And your idea that one code breaker who is not on the spectrum somehow automatically implies or means that another code breaker (Turing) therefore couldn't be on it either is a bit of an ask...

And regarding your deliberating ambiguous ad hominem sneer about something I posted another thread, whatever that was - low tactics like that say more about you than me.



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21 Feb 2015, 6:22 am

I saw that movie with friends who knew I had asperger's. His explanation was that he felt he was just too intelligent to be able to make friends.. and, I guess that could be true? He never struck me as having much social anxiety or a lack of social skills, and he seemed to be calm and collective, even making eye contact, when talking to the detectives, or even in the job interview he had. But we're all different being on the spectrum, he seemed to fit the mold 100% outside of that.

Also, my knowledge of Mr. Turing is very limited short of his character in the movie.


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22 Feb 2015, 9:41 am

That movie was tragic, man! I mean, I almost cried.

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I just read an article about Alan Turing being autistic (I think the article I read was before the movie created because it doesn't even mention "The Imitation Game" or something that has to do with that. :| )

Well, I think so. :? :? :?


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22 Feb 2015, 12:52 pm

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Anyone know if Alan Turing was autistic? Did the movie make you think he's aspie?

I saw the movie with my teenage daughter last night. It was quite good.

Within the first several minutes of the movie, my daughter whispered to me, “He is just like Shelly”. She was referring to Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory (which she watches almost obsessively). She whispered that multiple times during the movie. At one point, she said, “Dad, he’s just like you”. Obviously, she was referring to mannerisms. Not to intellect. I could only wish. LOL



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23 Feb 2015, 10:43 am

Film won Oscar for best Adopted Screenplay
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/imitation-game-wins-oscar-for-adapted-screenplay-1201439294/
"And on Sunday, Moore said that it was “most unfair” that Turing was unable to stand in front of the audience of “disconcertingly attractive faces.”

Moore also revealed that he had attempted suicide at 16 because he did not fit in and urged kids who felt the same way to “stay weird, stay different.”

I did not see Birdman the big Oscar winner so I can't say it was not deserving. It is also not a surprise that a film about an actor would win big.


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23 Feb 2015, 11:07 am

Whether he was Aspie or not is irrelevant to the fact of his accomplishments, and the tragedy of his suicide.



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23 Feb 2015, 11:19 am

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Whether he was Aspie or not is irrelevant to the fact of his accomplishments, and the tragedy of his suicide.


Agreed.

Same goes for being gay, caucasian, tall or born in the Uk. He was a genius plain and simple and not many people on the planet could have pulled off what he did.

Right person at the right time in history, being treated like s**t even though he may have saved the western civilization.