ASD is a Brain-Body condition, not just neurological

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04 Feb 2015, 9:27 pm

Korin wrote:
It's 99.8% brain. Genes are a messy thing p, as every human has mutations


Genes are messy things, mutations are universal, as you say. However that doesn't automatically prove that it's "99.9%" brain. You may be conflating two different issues here - the real issue for me is that we have to broaden our thinking on autism. No-one is saying that genes are unimportant - of course they are - did you read the article?



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04 Feb 2015, 9:34 pm

Im not a doctor or psychologist. I don't understand that. Autism is All brain, nothing else I think because brain controls motor movements. And mostly ASD is Sensory cognitive and anxiety - other co morbids



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04 Feb 2015, 9:34 pm

I think what I have - whether it is autism + some other closely related disorder(s), or just autism - is a whole-body condition, and not just a neurological disorder.

I have all the classic gut problems associated with autism, and I also have allergies and chemical sensitivities, a tremor, balance problems, poor coordination, muscle weakness, clumsiness, a heart murmur, scoliosis, menstrual and hormonal problems, mild asthma, and sleep problems. I get exhausted very easily. All in all I feel like I have a weak, hypersensitive body that is a bundle of raw nerves. Ideal only for living in a clean room with no direct human contact. lol



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04 Feb 2015, 9:37 pm

I have a heart murmur and awful coordination too. And allergies. I think a lot of it has to do with hypersensitivity.



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04 Feb 2015, 9:42 pm

Guys those are from co-morbids not asd



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04 Feb 2015, 9:54 pm

Korin wrote:
Guys those are from co-morbids not asd


That's what you have read - I am supposing - but how do you know it is not all of a piece?

My position is that to make progress on the challenges of ASD, we need fresh thinking, not the "received version".
I am not a curebie - I strongly believe that ASD people have great gifts to offer the world, and many have done so in the past; I know some members (particularly despairing younger members) will be tempted to respond "what gifts, all I have is xyz.." I understand that.

Only with fresh thinking will we unlock the mystery of how to maximise the gifts and attenuate the challenges. I am suggesting that we look at the bigger picture here, and the article in the OP offers a place to start this wider bigger picture and discussion. I'm too old to look forward to a different future for myself, I'm reasonably happy with my life now in old age - though I want coming generations to have a much easier time than we old dinosaurs did, I want the waste of their wonderful talents to end, and their low view of their wonderful potentials. But first we have to solve the barriers to achievement and self-realisation.



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04 Feb 2015, 9:56 pm

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Im not a doctor or psychologist. I don't understand that. Autism is All brain, nothing else I think because brain controls motor movements. And mostly ASD is Sensory cognitive and anxiety - other co morbids


Anxiety causes stomach upset and gastro issues. Lots of Autistics have some level of anxiety.



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04 Feb 2015, 10:02 pm

ASD is bound to be cured eventually when scientists organizations researchers doctors find a way in the future to stop autistic babies and make them normal thru genetic modification. The people alive now diagnosed will die off but by the time the last asd person does. Robots would run the world. But what do you mean by fresh thinking?

Thats psychosomatic not physical.



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04 Feb 2015, 10:09 pm

No, that is not "bound to happen" - it's your opinion, and unless you have a crystal ball that infallibly predicts the future (in which case you are going to be very rich!) - there are always new opportunities for new knowledge to have positive outcomes. The biggest barriers to progress for people on the spectrum are closed minds and old redundant ideas.



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04 Feb 2015, 10:13 pm

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ASD is bound to be cured eventually when scientists organizations researchers doctors find a way in the future to stop autistic babies and make them normal thru genetic modification. The people alive now diagnosed will die off but by the time the last asd person does. Robots would run the world. But what do you mean by fresh thinking?

Thats psychosomatic not physical.


Probably. As much as that sucks. If I decide to have children I wouldn't mind having a child with HFA but in all honesty I don't know if I could handle Kanners.. That would be so difficult to deal with.



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04 Feb 2015, 10:13 pm

I'm generally a verry merry berry healthy person with no symptoms of chronic illness.
My digestive system seems good, I can eat a variety of foods from each food group with no gastrointestinal symptoms.


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04 Feb 2015, 10:24 pm

Yes, that's true of some too - that variety is all part of the bigger picture mystery.

As for the poster who queried what is meant by fresh thinking - I think the easiest example we can all relate to is the leap from classical Newtownian physics (Newton was a brilliant scientist of his time) to quantum physics.

According to quantum mechanics, what we can observe about the world is only a tiny subset of what actually exists. I think if Newton visited our current space-time world he would love the fresh thinking that the 20th and 21st centuries expounded and explored, even though it over-turned his view of physics.

We need quantum-autism-thinking, I think...



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04 Feb 2015, 10:33 pm

Anyways it's wont matter. A.I. And other robots will run the world

http://www.futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/2100-2149.htm


But sir - What's fresh thinking psychologically ?



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04 Feb 2015, 10:34 pm

I don't know if Newtonian mechanics has anything do with thinking



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04 Feb 2015, 10:37 pm

Ok, try another example: Alan Turing and the cracking of the Enigma code. That's a perfect example of fresh thinking that solved a much older problem. Go and see the film "The Imitation Game" - it's what really happened. Turing knew that only fresh thinking could crack the code, despite being surrounded by people who were trapped in old ways of thinking along received lines.

That's what I mean by fresh thinking.

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04 Feb 2015, 10:41 pm

But neurological implies a brain and body connection...do you know what neurology means?


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