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13 Feb 2015, 7:19 pm

I've actually been paid for writing on a regular basis in the past. I'd like to ask Sonically if he has any idea how difficult it is for professional, experienced writers to get published. Publishing a book, unless you are paying for it yourself at a vanity publisher, is not something that you can do on a whim. There are so many factors involved that if you know what it would entail you would certainly not be concerned about it happening.

If Alex planned on publishing anything that was on this site, I would think he could do much better by compiling stories from Love and Dating, the Haven, and Parenting into a book of nonfiction experiences of those on the spectrum and their families. The hodge podge that we submit and put on the site will not in any way be what is needed to form a coherent and marketable book.

If someone were to see a particular article and wish to publish it themselves in a magazine or on a website they would ask to contact the writer, not the owner of the site where it is published. Not only would they want some background on the writer, they would want to keep the contact for future reference when they are in need of similar pieces.

The idea of him selling our articles or in any way profiting from them is about as ridiculous and far fetched as the idea of taking every homemade video that has been published here and compiling them into a major motion picture. He would have as much luck taking all the personal photos from the site and making a pinup autism spectrum calender from it.

In other words our stuff would truly only be something that is usable in the context and media that in which it will be displayed here. Even if he wanted to screw us over on this, he wouldn't stand very much of a chance. I'm not even talking about the quality of writing, I'm talking about continuity and theme of the subject matter.


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13 Feb 2015, 7:36 pm

What a cool opportunity! Thanks Alex!

I've always fancied myself a bit of a writer, so if I think of a relevant topic I'll have a go at submitting something :mrgreen:


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14 Feb 2015, 1:35 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
I'd like to ask Sonically if he has any idea how difficult it is for professional, experienced writers to get published.
I'm very familiar with this industry


OliveOilMom wrote:
If Alex planned on publishing anything that was on this site, I would think he could do much better by compiling stories from Love and Dating, the Haven, and Parenting into a book of nonfiction experiences of those on the spectrum and their families. The hodge podge that we submit and put on the site will not in any way be what is needed to form a coherent and marketable book.
But a grammatically accurate, chapter-length piece on a particular topic would be.


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If someone were to see a particular article and wish to publish it themselves in a magazine or on a website they would ask to contact the writer, not the owner of the site where it is published. Not only would they want some background on the writer, they would want to keep the contact for future reference when they are in need of similar pieces.
Read the Terms Of Service of this website again - when you post something here, you give up all rights to it.


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The idea of him selling our articles or in any way profiting from them is about as ridiculous and far fetched as the idea of taking every homemade video that has been published here and compiling them into a major motion picture. He would have as much luck taking all the personal photos from the site and making a pinup autism spectrum calender from it.
I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying it could happen. Whether you submit something is up to you.


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In other words our stuff would truly only be something that is usable in the context and media that in which it will be displayed here.
Sorry, this sentence doesn't appear to make grammatical sense

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Even if he wanted to screw us over on this, he wouldn't stand very much of a chance.
But it couldn't be classed as being 'screwed over' as you've already chose to sacrifice your rights by posting your article on the site in the first place (again I'm referring to the Terms of Service)

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I'm not even talking about the quality of writing, I'm talking about continuity and theme of the subject matter.
Themes can be broad enough to encapsulate a plethora of subject matter.



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14 Feb 2015, 2:09 pm

I'd like the mug!



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14 Feb 2015, 2:51 pm

The first user submitted article is up!! ! Check it out


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14 Feb 2015, 4:47 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
I just don't see any potential harm in submitting helpful articles written by someone else, and credited to that someone else.
Lawsuit brought on site owner(s) due to copyright infringement violation, if submitted articles are sections from published works.

Many issues here if you mean just 'borrowing' sections from someone's book.

Alex won't allow this to happen as legally he can't allow it to happen. Alex has no right to post sections form (for example) a Tony Attwood book. Or any other author. This leaves individual site users' contributions.




Individuals answer each other's posts in the forum area - that is in and of itself could be described as insightful. Previously submitted articles which are published on this site are consistent in the sense that the grammar and length are adequate as what is looked for by a publisher as sample book chapters.

I've made my contribution to this thread by highlighting the potential - it's up to others to decide on what to do with their words/lives.


Yes, you have to be careful of copyright. However, we have the author's permission to post it up, then it should be fine. One should just be careful to obtain permission first.



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14 Feb 2015, 4:52 pm

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How is it copyright infringement if THE SOURCE IS CREDITED? I don't get it.

It's not WP who would be sued--it would be the person who took it from WP, then infringed the copyright who would be sued. WP would merely be a third party to this.

What WP should do is make sure THE SOURCE IS CREDITED within any article/excerpt of book placed in WP>


Accreditation helps in professional ethics when one quotes from another author in a fair use policy, it does not make copyright infringement legal. Otherwise people would be able to copy whole books and sell them just by crediting the original author.



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14 Feb 2015, 4:56 pm

What an awesome feature ! :D
I'll have to come up with a few ideas on what I can write an article about. :roll:


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14 Feb 2015, 7:27 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
I'd like to ask Sonically if he has any idea how difficult it is for professional, experienced writers to get published.
I'm very familiar with this industry


OliveOilMom wrote:
If Alex planned on publishing anything that was on this site, I would think he could do much better by compiling stories from Love and Dating, the Haven, and Parenting into a book of nonfiction experiences of those on the spectrum and their families. The hodge podge that we submit and put on the site will not in any way be what is needed to form a coherent and marketable book.
But a grammatically accurate, chapter-length piece on a particular topic would be.


OliveOilMom wrote:
If someone were to see a particular article and wish to publish it themselves in a magazine or on a website they would ask to contact the writer, not the owner of the site where it is published. Not only would they want some background on the writer, they would want to keep the contact for future reference when they are in need of similar pieces.
Read the Terms Of Service of this website again - when you post something here, you give up all rights to it.


OliveOilMom wrote:
The idea of him selling our articles or in any way profiting from them is about as ridiculous and far fetched as the idea of taking every homemade video that has been published here and compiling them into a major motion picture. He would have as much luck taking all the personal photos from the site and making a pinup autism spectrum calender from it.
I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying it could happen. Whether you submit something is up to you.


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In other words our stuff would truly only be something that is usable in the context and media that in which it will be displayed here.
Sorry, this sentence doesn't appear to make grammatical sense

OliveOilMom wrote:
Even if he wanted to screw us over on this, he wouldn't stand very much of a chance.
But it couldn't be classed as being 'screwed over' as you've already chose to sacrifice your rights by posting your article on the site in the first place (again I'm referring to the Terms of Service)

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I'm not even talking about the quality of writing, I'm talking about continuity and theme of the subject matter.
Themes can be broad enough to encapsulate a plethora of subject matter.


Then you most certainly wouldn't want to waste your valuable time and talent here! I wouldn't even waste my words on posting here if I were you. You should probably get the latest "Writer's Market" and submit a copy of everything you ever write. You might not even need the WM because you probably know the needs of each house. I'm absolutely sure it would be a best seller, especially with your familiarity and experience. I'm very aware that you do know what you are talking about, when you said "grammatically accurate chapter-length piece on a particular topic" and when you insulted my sentence I saw that you knew what you were doing. The hyphen was a very polished touch and drove your point home. I was very impressed as were all of the other people who read your post, I'm sure. I'm also sure that people will understand how familiar you are with professional writing because of how you are going on and on about how our work could be stolen from a website and published. That is something that only a true professional writer would worry over.


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14 Feb 2015, 11:11 pm

Notwithstanding the ad hominem happening here, I'll reply with civility to your points:

OliveOilMom wrote:
You should probably get the latest "Writer's Market" and submit a copy of everything you ever write. You might not even need the WM because you probably know the needs of each house.
You're assuming I'm a wannabe author.

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when you insulted my sentence I saw that you knew what you were doing. The hyphen was a very polished touch and drove your point home.
The latter half of your sentence is grammatically confusing - this is a fact and not a personal attack. Taking it as a personal attack speaks more of yourself.

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I was very impressed as were all of the other people who read your post, I'm sure. I'm also sure that people will understand how familiar you are with professional writing because of how you are going on and on about how our work could be stolen from a website and published. That is something that only a true professional writer would worry over.
If you took a step outside yourself and objectively reasoned for a second you'd see my posts are actually here to help by raising awareness to an issue RE authorship/Website TOS that could have a detrimental effect on authors rather than any personal want to impress - which I could care less about.


When Alex states there is no intended use for such articles outwith publishing them on the site, and copyright control will remain with the authors - and provides the necessary waiver on his site, a waiver which will not be subject to alteration - you truly have nothing to worry about.

And yes Alex - you'd probably have a market for WP mugs/cups/pencils etc ;)



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14 Feb 2015, 11:46 pm

LOL, I'm not worrying anyway. When I do write something I want to have published or be compensated for I go through the proper channels. When I write something that I don't care about being compensated for, I'll gladly put it on the internet or leave it there.

As for the "personal attack" thing, I never considered it a personal attack. You put that phrase in my fingers, I never typed it nor thought it. I said you insulted my sentence, not that you insulted me. I don't care enough about your opinion of me to feel insulted by anything you say, even though you could certainly insult me without my feelings cooperating.

I don't really think there was an ad hominem attack there, again that was an idea typed by you, not thought up by me. Mine was a smartass answer to your *perceived* arrogance, not an ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack would be something along the lines of "You really are a xxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxx, especially if you think xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx. Nobody in their right mind would xxxxxxxxxxxx your xxxxxxxxxxxxx. and you would be better off if you would just xxxxxx xxxxxxx and xxxxxxxxx."

(Note; I used and highlighted perceived because it means to show that the arrogance is perceived by me and may or may not actually exist, thus preventing this from being a personal attack, which it wasn't ever meant to be anyway.)

Then again, sarchasm is the vast gulf between the author of sardonic wit and the person who just doesn't get it. I was being sarcastic, not attacking. Trust me, if I attacked, you'd know it.


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15 Feb 2015, 12:02 am

I'm sure any article submitted will provide useful advice for us denizens of the wrong/right planet



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15 Feb 2015, 12:14 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm sure any article submitted will provide useful advice for us denizens of the wrong/right planet



As soon as I start feeling better I'll start on a "home ec" series. Cooking, cleaning, laundry, budgeting, shopping, meal planning, etc.

I would like some suggestions about the cooking series though. What things do people want to learn how to cook? I want to cover some recipes that are similar to many others so when someone masters those, they will be able to follow some others that are similar.

The cleaning article will cover everything. Regular maintenance housekeeping of your home, detailed instructions for every cleaning task, spring cleaning, deep cleaning, dealing with accidents and messes, stains, etc.

Any suggestions of things to include would be appreciated.


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15 Feb 2015, 2:19 am

OliveOilMom sometimes restraint is the wisest course of action.


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Then again, sarchasm is the vast gulf between the author of sardonic wit and the person who just doesn't get it.
To insinuate to an autistic person on an autistic forum where most individuals struggle with sarcasm that not 'getting' sarcasm is somehow lacking is quite something, and could make you many enemies here.

Words speak for themselves - and yours speak volumes.


Online it's too easy to play the 'get out of jail for free' cards:
1) 'I was just joking'
2) 'I was being sarcastic'


If you wish to address me again, address my concern as of my previous posts.



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15 Feb 2015, 2:24 am

sonicallysensitive wrote:
OliveOilMom sometimes restraint is the wisest course of action.


OliveOilMom wrote:
Then again, sarchasm is the vast gulf between the author of sardonic wit and the person who just doesn't get it.
To insinuate to an autistic person on an autistic forum where most individuals struggle with sarcasm that not 'getting' sarcasm is somehow lacking is quite something, and could make you many enemies here.

Words speak for themselves - and yours speak volumes.


Online it's too easy to play the 'get out of jail for free' cards:
1) 'I was just joking'
2) 'I was being sarcastic'


If you wish to address me again, address my concern as of my previous posts.


It's no get out of jail free card. It's exactly what I was doing. Also, I've been around here for quite a long time so I'm sure most people here are familiar with me.

But, I see now that you are not only an expert on professional writing, copyright law, grammar and sentence structure, you are also very well versed in the field of psychoanalysis and quite possibly either a psychic or a profiler.

Wow. Such a skillset!

Also, playing the autism card to another autistic kind of makes it looks it's "oomph".

I'm just sayin.......

As for addressing anything else to you, I'm not interested. I've made my point and I'm sure that after I quit posting to you, you will continue making it for me. Pretty cool.


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15 Feb 2015, 2:42 am

It would be very much appreciated if everyone would tone down a bit.