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21 Feb 2015, 10:08 am

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Ouijagraph! Brilliant. This technology has been definitively proven to be unreliable. That people should continue to pretend otherwise is further evidence of the widespread irrational need to have unwarranted faith in things. Very odd.
Yet many major organizations swear by them, just like those BS 'behavioural interviews' that are still the rage in Canada despite little evidence they work, especially since skilled liars can easilty evade both and anxiety riddled AS men and women frequently give false positives. I was always taught that big organizations always behave rationally and scientifically. Um, what planet do they live on?
Keep in mind that the real reason that ouijagraphs are still in use is because the people who employ them know that most test subjects will believe that the devices can detect lies. Just wheeling one of these things into the interrogation room is enough to get the subject to 'confess' to something.



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21 Feb 2015, 11:21 am

Another point , major organizations are not looking for people who get nervous with telling a little lie for the organizations interest. Generally any experienced succesful liar is welcome! As long as they serve the organizations interest as well as their own.



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21 Feb 2015, 3:32 pm

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Is there a shred of evidence to show that the Myers Briggs or enneagram or any similar scheme has any basis in reality? I think not.


I can't read the first link posted - Forbes doesn't load for me. MBTI has nothing to do with behavioral interviews. Whether it's "valid" depends on what you use it for and I agree that using it for hiring decisions is a terrible idea. It may have some value as a way of classifying the huge range of human personalities into a manageable number of categories and some generalisations made about those categories may be valid. For example, it may be valid to say that IT workers tend to be "I"s (introverted). However, it is not valid to say that someone introverted would do well in IT or that someone extroverted would not - which, unfortunately, is exactly the way the MBTI is sometimes used.

The second link doesn't talk about "gaming" the interview - that's not how I read it. It's a good guide to answering the questions well. "Gaming" implies presenting facts in a misleading way, which I don't see this article advocating. Now, of course, it is possible to make yourself look better than you really are in a behavioral interview, but the same could be said for any other type of interview. I think few interviewers are naive enough to think "well, he gave a great story in response to that question - that's enough for me, hired!" It's only one of the things they'd take into account.

I do think that companies rely too much on interviews in general and should pay more attention to samples of work (where possible), references and verifiable achievements. Still, there are people that you just know you could never work with after 5 minutes of talking to them - that alone means interviews remain essential.


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12 Feb 2020, 9:25 pm

I recently had to take a polygraph and it was inconclusive with one question that I failed. I was being 100% truthful but I was more nervous than I can remember being in my life. The fear of not being believed along with not wanting to be wrongfully accused of something I didn’t do, and fear of everything I might lose if I don’t pass the polygraph made it impossible for me to calm down.
I do happen to be very calm in situations where most NTs lose their minds, I used to work in emergency medicine because I was able to remain calm and level headed in crisis situations. I am also a rather calm public speaker . I thought it would be easy to pass a polygraph if you just tell the truth but, since I couldn’t calm down I messed it up. In reality, I am a very honest person and can be considered blunt hand straight forward. I never imagined that just being hooked up to a machine would create such anxiety for me. I can generally control my blood pressure and heart rate when I get my vitals taken at the doctor and I do it for fun, but during the polygraph I nearly had a panic attack.



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13 Feb 2020, 12:28 pm

Anxiety over a polygraph test may arise from experience in other tests. When I called the Police about a crime in progress, they decided that I was the problem. Now I won't call them without backup from a professional.



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09 Apr 2020, 6:51 am

Honesty is a large value I hold. I also tend to be a private person, and not tell everyone everything so with that being said, not brutal honesty, or oversharing honesty. Telling everyone they need to know, not deceiving to hurt people.

The thought frightens me of losing a grasp on the truth and honesty. And one reason I don't talk in absolutes is if I get something wrong, I fear that someone would think I was deceiving them on purpose, which is never the case. Trust is a very tricky thing to build with people.

I know with people with ASD, we have trouble with eyecontact, and nonverbal language. And I was told that sometimes when breaking eye contact too much, people may assume you're not being honest. Which is very hard for me, because it's a lifelong area I've struggled with.


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09 Apr 2020, 8:46 am

From the "You May Be An Aspie If" files...

You may be an aspie if ...

... the results of a polygraph examination indicate that you are either comatose or completely engulfed in flames.


:D



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09 Apr 2020, 5:33 pm

Fnord wrote:
From the "You May Be An Aspie If" files...

You may be an aspie if ...

... the results of a polygraph examination indicate that you are either comatose or completely engulfed in flames.


:D


True. Depending on circumstance, I'd either be a total mess or Mr. Spock.