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05 Mar 2015, 6:17 am

Feralucce wrote:
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Autistic Spectrum individuals and Parents/Family members of Autistic Spectrum individuals tend to rankle at the following statement.

Autism is a disease.

I find it odd that a group of people who are noted for their literal nature would react with such vehemence to such a simple statement.

The medical definition of a disease is “an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms, and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors”

For some reason, the word disease carries a stigma with it. There are negative connotations that Autistic Spectrum individuals and their families apply to the word.

I don’t understand it… and in most cases, the individuals getting offended with the application of the word. So, let’s take a look at some of the arguments.

Autism isn’t a disease because:
It occurs in both disabling and non-disabling forms.
Whether or not it is a disabling condition is not part of the definition of disease, nor should it be. Vitiligo, exzema, psoriasis, diabetes and lichen simplex chronicus are all diseases. Each of these are also non-disabling conditions. They are no less diseases because of that.

Autism is a disorder – autism isn’t an illness.
Technically… it is an illness. The World English Dictionary defines an illness as “a disease or indisposition.” Again, I will go back to the definition of a disease… “an impairment of the normal state of the living animal… that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions.” So, this argument is belied by the definition of disease.

It just means the brain is wired differently – not better or worse just… differently.

Wired Differently
This is the part of the definition of disease that states “that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms.” The fact that Autism Spectrum disorders have a set of symptoms fits into the distinguishing signs and symptoms. This argument typically comes from family. Speaking as an Autistic Spectrum individual… it is worse… over stimulation, stimming, meltdowns, tantrums, excessive cognitive dissonance and comorbid conditions make it worse.

Some people insist on labeling autism in a negative light.
I have made this point before, but there are often emotional connotations placed on words that have nothing to do with their actual definitions. I have often cited the words whore and prostitute. They both mean a person who has sex for money. Whore has an emotional impact that prostitute does not. If you call a prostitute a whore… they will become angry, often to the point of becoming enraged.

Obviously, the word disease has negative connotations that are not inherent to the word. Applying these connotations to a word defeats the purpose of having a dictionary.

Autism is not a disease – it can’t be cured.
Again, nowhere in the definition does it mention that a disease can be cured. Diabetes is a disease. Lupus is a disease. Marfam’s is a disease. None of these conditions can be can be cured. Therefore, curability is not a deciding factor as to whether or not it is a disease.

It is a syndrome, not a disease.
The dictionary defines a Syndrome as a “group of symptoms that together are characteristic of a specific disorder, disease, or the like.” Look at that definition… I mean read it… A syndrome… is a group of symptoms that define a DISEASE… Just for the heck of it… the definition of symptom is ” a phenomenon that arises from and accompanies a particular disease or disorder and serves as an indication of it.”


No… THIS is syndrome… He might be autistic… but…
well… you get the point.
It goes on like that. The issues are that there is a lack of education and a surplus of emotion surrounding the word Disease.

As an Autistic Spectrum individual, I am forced to look at it from an objective standpoint. We either admit that there is something wrong with us… and by wrong, I am referring to the fact that our mental and emotional functions are different… we are not normal, by the medical and psychological definitions of normal… or we accept what we are and move forward.

We have to decide.

The thing is – Autistic Spectrum Disorders have a set of symptoms. It can be diagnosed. There is research into diagnostic criteria and treatment plans.

If Autism isn’t a disease, then we have no rights to mental health treatment. We can’t be disabled because of it. We can’t expect the world to work with us. If we’re just different, we have no right to tell people about our condition.

If we let the negative connotation of the word interfere; if we let our pride get in the way; we lose our greatest tool in the battle of Autistic Spectrum survival.

If you give up those tools, the Neurotypicals of the world are proven right. If there is nothing wrong with us… then we are just using it as an excuse to be rude; quiet hands are a necessity; we’re probably just mentally ret*d; we can just get over it; we are just anti-social; we are just attention seeking; there’s no such thing as a special needs adult.

The mantra of “There is nothing wrong with me.” is essential for the self esteem needed to function in NT society, but it is detrimental to our cause – which should be finding treatment plans and skill training that can help us survive the minefield of the NT world around us. If there is nothing wrong with us, we are (to the last of us) destined to end up miserable and alone. Our friends and family accept us… we should do ourselves the same courtesy.

This is what the NTs will see if we continue
on the course set by “Autism is not a disease!”


I am drawing a line in the sand – swallow your pride like I have had to do, and accept it. A wise man I once knew said, “There is no forward motion without a backward notion.” We can’t know where we’re going if we don’t know where we have been.

The other option is to toe up to the line and stick our heads in the sand.


For me using the term Illness or disease is like somebody using the word ret*d or special ed kid instead of intellectually disabled or special-education student.

It's just Inconsiderate in a way. But something like cancer or AIDS there is no good side to it and it could directly result in the death of yourself or others even though treatment is available and has been used whether it has been used or not and your usually contract it either though human interaction or environmal factors or doing things like smoking and are not born with it of traits of the illness that's what I would consider a disease.

I would consider having autism is both different sort of genetic species of human and a disability at the same time it needs to be treated and accommodated like such however it is needed in this world.

Sample when two people with special needs have a child there more like me to have a child with special needs like a subspecies.

Mike I would consider autism the species and aspergers the sub species. For your could be very reverse Mike the person with Mosiac downs to having a full chromosome 21 downs baby.

That's the beauty of human genetics.


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05 Mar 2015, 6:21 am

I wouldn’t call autism a disease. Rather it can be defined as a disability. Which is why there are special schools and amenities for helping people cope with their disability.



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05 Mar 2015, 6:22 am

Feralucce wrote:
tetris wrote:
Which is usually one the ways you know whether it's a different species or not.


This is incorrect. Wolves and dogs are different species, but can produce viable, fertile offspring. Recently, it was confirmed that a polar bear grizzly hybrid was second generation... It is also our current understanding that homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis interbred extensively and that Neanderthal DNA exists in all modern humans (meaning that the offspring were fertile)...


It's not incorrect. Note I also said usually, as it is usually the way you can identify species. Wolves and dogs are both canis lupus, so they are not different species, they are different sub species.



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05 Mar 2015, 9:03 am

Even tigers and lions can breed. And at least some of the "great cats."

And, of course, horses and donkeys. Hence: Mules

As well as others I can't think of off hand.

Also: there has been speculation that Homo neanderthalensis might be a subspecies of Homo sapiens, rather than a separate subspecies.



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05 Mar 2015, 2:09 pm

Autism is not a disease! Try telling this to my sister, who not only is likely an Aspie herself, but is also an "Autism denier" ever since I was diagnosed with Aspergers when I was 13.


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05 Mar 2015, 2:37 pm

Well i don't know that species is the right term...but I'd say its certainly a different wiring, I consider it to be a condition...I think all potential 'cures' are likely to be far to invasive so I support the idea of proper accommodations and more accepted and less stigma in society....and more knowledge. I mean where do people who figure autism only effects children think happens to said children when they grow up? It has its disabling factors so I don't really think its nothing more than 'different' wiring but the 'cure' approach does seem flawed based on any research I've seen on autism.


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05 Mar 2015, 2:39 pm

Hyperborean wrote:
Autism isn't a disease, it's a condition, a different way of being, thinking, feeling, relating. The autistic worldview is in many respects very similar to that of artists - we both have an essential 'disconnect' with what might be called 'mainstream society'.



There isn't a single autistic worldview.....hell just look at the politics/philosophy section of this site.


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05 Mar 2015, 2:50 pm

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If there were no autistic people / aspies on earth, everyone would be super-social and no one would be logical.


I don't know about that, since when are 'aspies' the only people capable of being 'logical' and since when are all Neurotypical individuals 'super social'? From what I have seen aspies are just as capable of being illogical, are meltdowns logical?


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05 Mar 2015, 2:57 pm

Feralucce wrote:
I actually wrote about this on my blog series "Care and Feeding of Your Aspie"
This is what I wrote:


Autistic Spectrum individuals and Parents/Family members of Autistic Spectrum individuals tend to rankle at the following statement.

Autism is a disease.

I find it odd that a group of people who are noted for their literal nature would react with such vehemence to such a simple statement.

The medical definition of a disease is “an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms, and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors”

For some reason, the word disease carries a stigma with it. There are negative connotations that Autistic Spectrum individuals and their families apply to the word.


Actually it is not autistics and their families who created the stigma the word carries, that would be society....I mean go out into society and ask a bunch of random people what they think a disease is, you're probably going to find most people associate it with 'sickness' brought on by a virus or germ, or something contagious.....that is what society applied to it not autistics and their famlies. Hell I'd have no problem with the term disease if most people had more knowledge of what it means....but since most people associate it with sickness and germs and being speadable, I prefer the term condition since it doesn't have those associations.


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05 Mar 2015, 2:59 pm

I favor "condition", but am hard put to say how that term differs from "disease". Nor why it even matters.

But "species" is beyond ludicrous and laughable.

Autistic folks are not a seperate species.

If you took a population autistics and turned them into space pioneers- and left them to breed on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri for a 1000 generations then that population might well evolve into a separate 'species' from the rest of homo sapiens, but folks here on WP are not a separate species from homo sapiens.



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05 Mar 2015, 3:07 pm

Autism is a genetic disorder, condition, anything else along this line.

Diseases are caused by living microorganisms, that infects a host body for it's own gain.
They are normally parasites, viruses, and bacteria.

They can be cured (or will eventually be cured) by medication.

Unless Autism is triggered by a parasite, viruses, and/or a bacteria then it isn't a disease.


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05 Mar 2015, 3:23 pm

xenocity wrote:
Autism is a genetic disorder, condition, anything else along this line.

Diseases are caused by living microorganisms, that infects a host body for it's own gain.
They are normally parasites, viruses, and bacteria.

They can be cured (or will eventually be cured) by medication.

Unless Autism is triggered by a parasite, viruses, and/or a bacteria then it isn't a disease.


Wrong.

Only "infectious diseases" are caused by "infections".
That's why they are called "infectious diseases".

Diabetes,cancer, heart disease, black lung, psychosis, hemophelia, and sickle cell anemia, and most forms of anemia, are called "diseases". But none are caused by infectious organisms.



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05 Mar 2015, 3:45 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Autism is a genetic disorder, condition, anything else along this line.

Diseases are caused by living microorganisms, that infects a host body for it's own gain.
They are normally parasites, viruses, and bacteria.

They can be cured (or will eventually be cured) by medication.

Unless Autism is triggered by a parasite, viruses, and/or a bacteria then it isn't a disease.


Wrong.

Only "infectious diseases" are caused by "infections".
That's why they are called "infectious diseases".

Diabetes,cancer, heart disease, black lung, psychosis, hemophelia, and sickle cell anemia, and most forms of anemia, are called "diseases". But none are caused by infectious organisms.


Thanks to Webster you win this round :Shakes Fist:

Disease - a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms


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05 Mar 2015, 3:50 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
In the medical model of Autism because Autism causes "impairment" it would meet that criteria.

In the social model of Autism "impairments" are the result of others judgement s that Autistic traits are wrong.

In common usage disease equals infectious disease which has not been proven for Autism.

No Autism experts I know of going back to Kanner and Asperger have described Autism as a disease.

To actually answer your question I personally do not think of it as a disease.


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I find it odd that a group of people who are noted for their literal nature would react with such vehemence to such a simple statement.

The medical definition of a disease is “an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms, and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors”

For some reason, the word disease carries a stigma with it. There are negative connotations that Autistic Spectrum individuals and their families apply to the word.

I don’t understand it… and in most cases, the individuals getting offended with the application of the word. So, let’s take a look at some of the arguments.

Autism isn’t a disease because:
It occurs in both disabling and non-disabling forms.
Whether or not it is a disabling condition is not part of the definition of disease, nor should it be. Vitiligo, exzema, psoriasis, diabetes and lichen simplex chronicus are all diseases. Each of these are also non-disabling conditions. They are no less diseases because of that.

Autism is a disorder – autism isn’t an illness.
Technically… it is an illness. The World English Dictionary defines an illness as “a disease or indisposition.” Again, I will go back to the definition of a disease… “an impairment of the normal state of the living animal… that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions.” So, this argument is belied by the definition of disease.

It just means the brain is wired differently – not better or worse just… differently.

Wired Differently
This is the part of the definition of disease that states “that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms.” The fact that Autism Spectrum disorders have a set of symptoms fits into the distinguishing signs and symptoms. This argument typically comes from family. Speaking as an Autistic Spectrum individual… it is worse… over stimulation, stimming, meltdowns, tantrums, excessive cognitive dissonance and comorbid conditions make it worse.

Some people insist on labeling autism in a negative light.
I have made this point before, but there are often emotional connotations placed on words that have nothing to do with their actual definitions. I have often cited the words whore and prostitute. They both mean a person who has sex for money. Whore has an emotional impact that prostitute does not. If you call a prostitute a whore… they will become angry, often to the point of becoming enraged.

Obviously, the word disease has negative connotations that are not inherent to the word. Applying these connotations to a word defeats the purpose of having a dictionary.

Autism is not a disease – it can’t be cured.
Again, nowhere in the definition does it mention that a disease can be cured. Diabetes is a disease. Lupus is a disease. Marfam’s is a disease. None of these conditions can be can be cured. Therefore, curability is not a deciding factor as to whether or not it is a disease.

It is a syndrome, not a disease.
The dictionary defines a Syndrome as a “group of symptoms that together are characteristic of a specific disorder, disease, or the like.” Look at that definition… I mean read it… A syndrome… is a group of symptoms that define a DISEASE… Just for the heck of it… the definition of symptom is ” a phenomenon that arises from and accompanies a particular disease or disorder and serves as an indication of it.”


No… THIS is syndrome… He might be autistic… but…
well… you get the point.
It goes on like that. The issues are that there is a lack of education and a surplus of emotion surrounding the word Disease.

As an Autistic Spectrum individual, I am forced to look at it from an objective standpoint. We either admit that there is something wrong with us… and by wrong, I am referring to the fact that our mental and emotional functions are different… we are not normal, by the medical and psychological definitions of normal… or we accept what we are and move forward.

We have to decide.

The thing is – Autistic Spectrum Disorders have a set of symptoms. It can be diagnosed. There is research into diagnostic criteria and treatment plans.


I looked through several of the notable dictionaries and some articles before making my reply. I saw some definitions that use "impairment" that would define Autism as a disease and some that do not. The varying definitions and the fact that I have not seen any experts in Autism call it a disease that led me to not change my opinion that Autism is not a disease.

The above is a matter of interpretation. Where I rally disagree with you is this

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f Autism isn’t a disease, then we have no rights to mental health treatment. We can’t be disabled because of it. We can’t expect the world to work with us. If we’re just different, we have no right to tell people about our condition.

If we let the negative connotation of the word interfere; if we let our pride get in the way; we lose our greatest tool in the battle of Autistic Spectrum survival.

If you give up those tools, the Neurotypicals of the world are proven right. If there is nothing wrong with us… then we are just using it as an excuse to be rude; quiet hands are a necessity; we’re probably just mentally ret*d; we can just get over it; we are just anti-social; we are just attention seeking; there’s no such thing as a special needs adult.

The mantra of “There is nothing wrong with me.” is essential for the self esteem needed to function in NT society, but it is detrimental to our cause – which should be finding treatment plans and skill training that can help us survive the minefield of the NT world around us. If there is nothing wrong with us, we are (to the last of us) destined to end up miserable and alone. Our friends and family accept us… we should do ourselves the same courtesy.


Being black, a senior citizen, being a veteran are not diseases yet if you are a member of these groups you get benefits even if you have no issues in part because members of these groups are more likely to be impaired by there age, combat, or by society's prejudices. I fail to understand the sentiment that Autistics unlike these and other groups should not seek accommodations and acceptance because not every Autistc needs these. The LGBT community in part is having the substantial gains based on acceptance they should be allowed to be different and successfully arguing they are not a threat to hetrosexuals. If we use the medical model and decide to call ourselves diseased because of the stigma people will fear us ever more. If you have been looking at the news the past year you have noticed unlike the other groups mentioned black people dispute the benefits are advancing much slower in large part because society still fears them.


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05 Mar 2015, 4:12 pm

Most dictionaries seem to define diseases as something that impairs normal functioning. By that definition, autism could be considered a disease.

However, autism is arguably a different kind of "wiring" in the brain. If that is the case, it could be considered normal functioning, but of a kind that differs from the majority.

Personally, I am more inclined to believe it is the latter. Not only autism, but disorders like ADHD and schizotypal personality disorder seem to cause problems mostly because of social expectations from neurotypicals. Most of those people would function normally (in some cases, even better than normal) in a hunter-gatherer society, but times have changed and our current society was built by NTs for NTs.

Still, it cannot be denied that "pure" autism often leads to impairment too severe to be considered just society's fault. If someone requires constant care during their entire life, it is hard to wave such an undeniable handicap away as being just a different neurotype.

Bottom line: we should add "disease" to the list of indefinable concepts, together with "intelligence" and "utopia".


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05 Mar 2015, 4:21 pm

I do not consider it a disease in the slightest but I very much consider it an impairment and a disability. Those who say it is merely a case of being different are simply deceiving themselves and not doing much of a service to anyone.