Autism Is Not An Excuse To Do Nothing

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05 Mar 2015, 5:42 pm

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And your reasons for making this ad hominem slur are?


She lumps all autistics into one big ball as if we are all the same then proclaims we all gave up on life because of our diagnoses, ridiculous and utter crap. She also compares her experience with autism to everyone else's as if she's an authority on the subject, which she clearly isn't.

Like I said it's one long rant not worthy of debate nor anyone's attention.

Not to be mean or anything. It's just my opinion which is no more valid than her's though mine might be slightly more sane. :P


I'm just gonna quote the first sentence....

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I’ve noticed a disturbing trend in some autistics,

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05 Mar 2015, 5:49 pm

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I think this quilt is an exquisite example of creativity that is on a top professional level of expertise. Done by a professional artist? I'm not minimising that, I really admire such a superb accomplishment as a work of art for others to enjoy for years and years to come, as well as a financially viable talent. Whatever you do with heart and soul matters, embroidery, whatever - it's the commitment to be the best you can be that counts IMO.

It is beautiful, isn't it. And you can use the properties of the different fabrics to create the textures of the subject.
It takes a lot of experience to make one like that.

I agree with the idea that one should push one's limits. But people have to do it to match their own comfort level. And certainly everyone will have unique interests.



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05 Mar 2015, 6:37 pm

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Why always a shot at needlecraft! Fabric is a legitimate media! I once got through a difficult time by knitting a 63 square afghan. Each square was a different stitch. Taught me dexterity.

Anyway, I found the article to be glib and contradictory. On the one hand she gets it, on the other she doesn't. It's superficial.


It wasn't so much a shot at needlecraft as it was at spending all of your time on a recreational special interest vs. learning, growing, changing, improving, working, earning, setting & achieving goals etc. Needlecraft just so happened to be the subject matter the author used as an example, as is evidenced by this quote:

I don't understand why needlecraft is not included in your list of "learning, growing, etc."
Why the bias against it? And why is needlepoint being linked with sadness? Also, there are guilds that get together, so you could do it socially. But what's so wrong with working on your own?

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Because we are all capable of so much more than just sitting around doing needlepoint and feeling sorry for ourselves. (I have no special beef against needlepoint, just that if that’s all you’re doing, it’s not much of a life.)

Yes, this is the quote where I got impulse to slap her. Who is she to judge the values of people's activities.

I'm glad you are doing things that make you happy. But there is no way for you to know the value something to someone else.


Needlecraft can be a part of learning/growing. The author wasn't picking on needlecraft in particular. They were making the statement that if ALL one does is one niche special interest with their time vs. doing other productive things & having other experiences, then they don't have such a well rounded fully enriched life. You could insert playing video games for needlecraft in her article, or some other past time that is typically seen as a hobby to indulge in from time to time vs. something productive that advances you towards self sufficiency or an ability to thrive in life.


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05 Mar 2015, 6:41 pm

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I agree with the idea that one should push one's limits. But people have to do it to match their own comfort level. And certainly everyone will have unique interests.


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05 Mar 2015, 6:49 pm

Finding a bridge to cross that gap can release positive energy and open a door to unforeseen positive changes, that's so true. Some people find that more achievable with a mentor supporting them across the bridge.



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05 Mar 2015, 7:04 pm

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...if ALL one does is one niche special interest with their time vs. doing other productive things & having other experiences, then they don't have such a well rounded fully enriched life.

Who are you to make that judgement?

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Finding a bridge to cross that gap can release positive energy and open a door to unforeseen positive changes, that's so true. Some people find that more achievable with a mentor supporting them across the bridge.

Regarding one's comfort zone. I think that's up to the individual if they want to challenge themselves (with or without help.)



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05 Mar 2015, 7:10 pm

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I’ve noticed a disturbing trend in some autistics,

(emphasis mine)


I don't see the trend at all myself. Nor is being diagnosed later in life an advantage as she seems to suggest. I could go on picking apart her article but it's nothing more than a poorly written rant. Instead of putting people down she should get off of her soapbox and do something constructive. Oh the irony! :lol:


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05 Mar 2015, 7:19 pm

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Why always a shot at needlecraft! Fabric is a legitimate media! I once got through a difficult time by knitting a 63 square afghan. Each square was a different stitch. Taught me dexterity.

Anyway, I found the article to be glib and contradictory. On the one hand she gets it, on the other she doesn't. It's superficial.


It wasn't so much a shot at needlecraft as it was at spending all of your time on a recreational special interest vs. learning, growing, changing, improving, working, earning, setting & achieving goals etc. Needlecraft just so happened to be the subject matter the author used as an example, as is evidenced by this quote:

I don't understand why needlecraft is not included in your list of "learning, growing, etc."
Why the bias against it? And why is needlepoint being linked with sadness? Also, there are guilds that get together, so you could do it socially. But what's so wrong with working on your own?

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Because we are all capable of so much more than just sitting around doing needlepoint and feeling sorry for ourselves. (I have no special beef against needlepoint, just that if that’s all you’re doing, it’s not much of a life.)

Yes, this is the quote where I got impulse to slap her. Who is she to judge the values of people's activities.

I'm glad you are doing things that make you happy. But there is no way for you to know the value something to someone else.


I totally agree with you androbot1. I had similar thoughts when I read the article. It's very judgmental and I thought the author did a piss-poor job of making her point.

It DOES sound like she has a special beef against needlepoint. :evil:

If she's hoping the person who does needlepoint might get a job, how about encouraging that interest, instead of putting it down? It could lead to a job doing embroidery work or some other kind of sewing. Or they might be able to sell their own pieces. People sell all kinds of handmade things in boutiques, at fairs and festivals, or on sites like Etsy and Ebay.

I really appreciate those kinds of skills, partly because they are not easy for me to do. I WISH I could do those things. I tried to learn how to knit once, and it made me feel like my brain was twisting in a knot. I just couldn't get the hang of it. I used to do cross-stitch and ribbon embroidery, but don't feel like I have the patience for it anymore. I can hardly stand to sew on a button.

It's all too easy for a person to be dismissive of skills they haven't acquired, or have no personal interest in.

There have been times/places throughout history when women weren't even allowed to do much of anything besides needlecrafts. Maybe that's why some people have such a negative association with it? But that's also why it's an important part of the history of some cultures.

Lately I have been fascinated with Hmong/Miao embroidery. I think it is really amazing.
http://www.festival.si.edu/2014/china/f ... idery.aspx

How's this for a different perspective...

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Yunnan and Guizhou are famous for their colorful folk history, stunning natural landscapes and rich textile heritages. Women have passed on the art of embroidering elaborate festival costumes for centuries, but recent economic pressure has pushed youth to emigrate for work, thereby threatening the craft’s continuation.

Many Miao are still too poor to send their daughters to school, so when young men leave villages, females must take on agricultural work, leaving little time to teach or learn textile pursuits. What little downtime is left is often spent watching television, not embroidering.

http://harthagerty.com/miao-textiles/



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05 Mar 2015, 7:25 pm

Chinese embroidery is an exquisite art.

If you can find a copy of "Barbara Walker's Learn-to-Knit Afghan Book," pick it up. I tried so many times to learn, but this book was the absolute best. It's out of print, but the library may have it.



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05 Mar 2015, 7:28 pm

Afghans are very useful when confronted with Minus 40 Windchills.



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05 Mar 2015, 7:29 pm

That's for sure!



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05 Mar 2015, 7:29 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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...if ALL one does is one niche special interest with their time vs. doing other productive things & having other experiences, then they don't have such a well rounded fully enriched life.

Who are you to make that judgement?


I am someone who works, fulfills my obligations, earns my own way through life, & has a variety of interests that occupy my time vs. spending 24/7 on a singular hobby-interest that doesn't advance me in life in any sort of well rounded way. It's my opinion that leading a more well rounded life is far more enriching than focusing on ONE hobby-interest that is, in general, perceived by others as a hobby vs. a productive thing to spend one's time on - especially at the opportunity cost of learning other things, doing & experiencing other things, advancing one's finances etc. That's who I am to make that judgement. YMMV & that's ok. :)


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05 Mar 2015, 7:32 pm

I've spend many years wandering far afield of my "comfort zone."

It left me with an autism diagnosis and on four different meds to be able to function. :skull:

Nowadays, I've finally come to the conclusion that all I really need in life is some peace and quiet and to get back into my "comfort zone." Whether or not what I do with my life meets some else's definition of "success," or being "meaningful," really isn't my concern.


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05 Mar 2015, 7:43 pm

For me it's a balancing act - I like to spend some time in each of the two zones, the comfort zone is my refreshment zone and one of my favourite places :) (and where I often eat comfort food too!)



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05 Mar 2015, 7:46 pm

LOL....I love "comfort foods!"

Perhaps this is why I'm getting a gut!



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05 Mar 2015, 7:53 pm

androbot01 wrote:
If you can find a copy of "Barbara Walker's Learn-to-Knit Afghan Book," pick it up. I tried so many times to learn, but this book was the absolute best. It's out of print, but the library may have it.


Thank you! I will look for that. I would really like to learn.

My aunt tried to teach me how to knit. She can do it without even looking at her hands. She demonstrated and explained it really clearly. I'm usually good at picking something up fast. But this totally stumped me. Within the first couple of minutes, I felt like something was getting hot-wired inside my brain. I was afraid I might go into a rage and stab someone with the knitting needle.

I was determined to learn so I spent (I'm embarrassed to say how many) hours/days on my own just trying to figure out how to do ONE row. It was a struggle, but I finally did it. And then promptly threw it down in disgust and said, this is NOT for me. I'd still like to try it again. I just think I better do it alone. lol