What do you think of autism speaks now?
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Watch that video goldfish, last thing I'm ever going to say to you on the forums.
Watched it. I disagree with pretty much everything she has to say.
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They're continuing with research into intestinal dysbiosis & probiotic treatments. Obviously, as someone who's had great success with it myself, I support that.
They're also working on more support for adults with autism all across the USA, so that's a good thing.
I've seen the videos people complain about here and I don't see anything awful about them. I certainly don't see anything saying that autistics would be better off dead or any other such nonsense that some people have posted here. I see quite realistic scenarios being portrayed about the difficulties autism creates for individuals and their families & the reasons that treatments and support are valuable pursuits.
That's the thing that have done good things too and have changed from their I am autism video.
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Thing about that is, even the worst company in the history of ever will sometimes get something right.... but even in this case, I'm not sure. A 14 year old boy penned that speech, and one of the animators from Robot Chicken did the animation; I cant see these two as being content creators that constantly work for AS. When AS makes their OWN videos is when the derp begins. What this looks like to me, is that those that actually made the video didnt actually know much about AS before they agreed to the project, or they may not have linked it to them. Or something along that line.
Theoretically, it's possible that AS could change their tune and become an ACTUAL support group for autistics, but honestly, I see them as just too firmly entrenched now to change at this point.
Hell, the fact that the ONE autistic individual they actually had working for them (seriously? A foundation FOR autistic support that has nobody autistic on it? What? And they claim to UNDERSTAND?) ended up quitting in disgust is a giant red flag that jumps up and down and screams at you.
I've forgotten whatever else I was going to say.
Well it's not like Autism Speaks is an evil terrorist group who captures and experiments on us just for fun. They're not the Nazi's of the 21st century. They're just looking for a cure to those who are low functioning. Let me show you a quote two parents made to a comment I made on Facebook.
"For some people, ASD is just a difference. For others, it is absolutely, 100% a disability, without question. You might find social interactions to be a bit difficult to understand and participate in. Others are well into their teens, can't speak a single word, wear diapers, and aggress against themselves and others. Autism Speaks has provided resources, guidance, and above all else, some sense of control and hope to the family members of the latter group."
"Some can't talk. Can't even feed or dress themselves or use the bathroom. Have to wear protective gear because they're constantly self-harming. Who will never be able to live without 24/7 supervision.
Are we bad for wanting a cure for people who suffer like that?"
Most of us are high-functioning. Sure we may have trouble with social skills, anxiety, sensory overloads, self-initiating tasks, but you can eventually succeed if you really put forth the effort.
I find it hard to know what to make of Autism Speaks.
On the one hand there was their old "I am autism" promotional video which I didn't agree with at all, and there are the facts(?) that their directors pocket most of the donations and that they don't have any autistic directors. And so many ASDers speak out against them, I can't see how that would happen so much if there was no case against Autism Speaks. There's also this thing about them serving legal threats on people who upload parodies of that old video - that's pretty worrying too, if it's as simple as that.
On the other hand:
http://youtu.be/C_O0vRTkaaY
Yes, that's a lot better I couldn't find their old video, so I presume they've deleted it.
And there's this kind of thing on their website:
https://www.autismspeaks.org/news/news- ... ostpopular
It's a bit sickly-sweet towards the end, but it casts a lot of doubt on the notion that they hate us.
So I really don't know. I'd like to know for sure what they do with the money, how many autistic people are directors, and what those legal threats were about. Beyond that, my best guess is that the people who run it have mixed attitudes - there might be a few bastards on the board who sometimes get their way. Either that, or they really do hate us but are covering their tracks pretty well. Meanwhile, I wouldn't donate so much as a penny to them, there are way too many red flags.
"For some people, ASD is just a difference. For others, it is absolutely, 100% a disability, without question. You might find social interactions to be a bit difficult to understand and participate in. Others are well into their teens, can't speak a single word, wear diapers, and aggress against themselves and others. Autism Speaks has provided resources, guidance, and above all else, some sense of control and hope to the family members of the latter group."
"Some can't talk. Can't even feed or dress themselves or use the bathroom. Have to wear protective gear because they're constantly self-harming. Who will never be able to live without 24/7 supervision.
Are we bad for wanting a cure for people who suffer like that?"
Most of us are high-functioning. Sure we may have trouble with social skills, anxiety, sensory overloads, self-initiating tasks, but you can eventually succeed if you really put forth the effort.
Yes, I've heard the arguements, but I'm still going with "they're barking up the wrong tree". It's a developmental disorder. This isnt a virus or bacteria or some foreign element that can simply be eradicated or removed; if it was, it'd be DRAMATICALLY easier for them to have found the cause, as those things stand out. This is a disorder that affects development from the ground up. You want a cure? Better be ready to have your brain undone and then re-wired, because that's what it'd take. I, personally, would not enjoy that.
What people need, *right now*, isnt a "cure". If they want to work on that on the side, despite the anti-logic of it, whatever. But MORE resources need to be put into supporting those that have it NOW. Give them what they need to make their lives better, so they can be themselves in this world that makes it so hard to do so. For both low AND high functioning, if you want to use those terms.
They could help people NOW, or they could research a cure that doesnt even make sense (and that many autistics wouldnt even accept if it DID exist). I, personally, prefer the first option.
And no, I dont want to and will not argue about what the cause is and isnt, because it takes too damn long. Quote me and rebuke what I say if you want, but dont expect a response. I've said most of what I want to by now and have reached my inevitable "interest is gone" point where it's time for me to find a new topic to yap about.
He thinks bleach enemas aren't pure evil. End of discussion.
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Some have correctly noted improvement in their PUBLIC presentations since the last decade. That probably happened because autism advocacy groups made it less acceptable to produce "I am Autism" type videos.
A big exception to that to that improvement occurred in 2013 with Suzanne Wright's "Call to Action",
https://www.autismspeaks.org/news/news-item/autism-speaks-washington-call-action
This is the letter that caused John Elder Robinson to resign. Mr. Robinson later made a post saying most working for them are good people trying to do the right thing and do have some understanding but the leadership is the problem.
Until the leadership changes either with new people or a change of heart the overall goals won't change. Based on their history I see little reason to trust them.
Whether motive is helping LFA children and their parents or eugenics only the Wright's know for sure. Regardless of motives lets look at potential effects of the cure intended or not. As I and others have stated it could mean anything from legal or financial discrimination against those who refuse a cure, aborting a large percentage of fetuses identified as autistic (the rate of abortions is 85% for downs syndrome fetuses so I am not discussion something without precedent) or the newest trend in research deflecting or intercepting Autism in very young children.
Based on my distrust of the Wright's, their power and money and the possible real world effects of a cure I believe this organization represents a POTENTIAL existential threat to Autistics as a group.
So there is no choice but to continue protest, distrust and verify. Based on some actual progress as small as it has been and massive progress made by other minorities that were where we are now there is no need to believe there is no hope for success.
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Not all LFAs want to be cured either. Why is it that so many people think HFA = don't need cure and LFA = does need cure?
I knew a really sweet, quirky 10 year old boy who was nonverbal and wore diapers. Would I want him to have a reliable communication method and better self-care and coping skills? Sure. But if you were to cure his autism, he simply wouldn't be the same person - and I like who he is.
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He thinks bleach enemas aren't pure evil. End of discussion.
I never said that. I wouldn't use bleach, but I do use acv/garlic/herbal teas/black coffee & filtered water/salts etc. Intestinal cleanse + probiotic enema/suppository = effective treatment for ASD symptoms. Seriously. It's as if probiotics work like neurotransmitters for the enteric nervous system. That's what the end result feels like, anyways. Science has yet to explain it. I'm sure it'll be figured out all in due time.
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He thinks bleach enemas aren't pure evil. End of discussion.
I never said that. I wouldn't use bleach, but I do use acv/garlic/herbal teas/black coffee & filtered water/salts etc. Intestinal cleanse + probiotic enema/suppository = effective treatment for ASD symptoms. Seriously. It's as if probiotics work like neurotransmitters for the enteric nervous system. That's what the end result feels like, anyways. Science has yet to explain it. I'm sure it'll be figured out all in due time.
I disagree with Goldfish on a lot of things but he did write he was not for bleach enemas.
I use organic apple cider vinegar, filtered water, boiled water, natural salts.. or garlic infused filtered water & salts.. or ultra light roasted organic coffee w/ high palmitic acid content, acv, & salts.. or a mixture of several antifungal herbal teas - all diluted to safe levels. But bleach? No thanks.
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I've been looking on the Web at what they say and what's said about them. Watched Suzanne Wright doing a speech - seemed like intense, emotional showmanship, compared with the British scientific community I'm used to. The main message in what I heard was a prophecy of doom in the near future if nothing's done about autistic people. I've not had time to look much further.
How likely is this prophecy of doom to be correct? I don't recall the statistics, but the general idea I got was one of a time bomb, "in x years, y thousand adolescents with autism will be plunged into the job market." How can this be so? We've always had autism in the gene pool, and until recently it was never diagnosed, yet the world didn't end. Diagnosis and aftercare aren't good enough, but they're not declining. Can anybody see any reason why this "bomb" would suddenly burst? To me, there's a kind of biblical flavour to the idea.
Charity leaders are frequently narrowly-focussed on fundraising - what else can they do in a market economy? It's not surprising if their messages are over the top, that's how advertising works. We're basically told that we have to fund them to kill the evil demon of autism which is about to smite us with a terrifying pestilence. That's a powerful motivator if they can get you to feel it. Unfortunately, autism is a spectrum thing, so even if their message was correct for full-blown autism, it would apply even less to us. We don't want to be medicalised, labelled as having a creepy disease, we don't want people to wish we'd never been born. And their leadership seems out of touch with that, which isn't surprising given that we're not represented.
From their point of view, it's difficult. If they qualify their words, they dilute the emotive power of their fundraising messages, and they can only address the brain, not the heart. Luckily, if they don't, they get criticised, it's easy to find criticisms of them on the Web, and although that doesn't always reach the non-critical thinkers (the only people their messages could work on), I think it worries the management. The big donators are more likely to be critical thinkers.
I have some sympathy with their idea that the caregivers of autistic people often have a very hard time indeed. Some caregivers burn themselves out, it can be a nightmare fighting the bureaucracy to try and secure support for an autistic person. We often have to be advocated for, and the state doesn't like spending public funds, so the family gets the runaround. A parent can become indispensible to an autistic person, losing their own life in the process, and what happens when the parent dies? Obviously, for a relatively mild Aspie, the difficulty is rather less, but I know of one parent who is working like mad and approaching burnout getting their Aspie child on her feet and protected from the cruel world. There is no diagnosis yet, apart from one of "it's just a bit of an anxiety problem, she'll grow out of it," but now there's more evidence, the diagnosticians suspect ASD and the symptoms do seem to fit her well. I'll take this back if she turns out to have something else.
I was relieved to read that the founders don't get paid. I hope that's true in reality as well as on paper.
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How likely is this prophecy of doom to be correct? I don't recall the statistics, but the general idea I got was one of a time bomb, "in x years, y thousand adolescents with autism will be plunged into the job market." How can this be so? We've always had autism in the gene pool, and until recently it was never diagnosed, yet the world didn't end. Diagnosis and aftercare aren't good enough, but they're not declining. Can anybody see any reason why this "bomb" would suddenly burst? To me, there's a kind of biblical flavour to the idea.
Charity leaders are frequently narrowly-focussed on fundraising - what else can they do in a market economy? It's not surprising if their messages are over the top, that's how advertising works. We're basically told that we have to fund them to kill the evil demon of autism which is about to smite us with a terrifying pestilence. That's a powerful motivator if they can get you to feel it. Unfortunately, autism is a spectrum thing, so even if their message was correct for full-blown autism, it would apply even less to us. We don't want to be medicalised, labelled as having a creepy disease, we don't want people to wish we'd never been born. And their leadership seems out of touch with that, which isn't surprising given that we're not represented.
From their point of view, it's difficult. If they qualify their words, they dilute the emotive power of their fundraising messages, and they can only address the brain, not the heart. Luckily, if they don't, they get criticised, it's easy to find criticisms of them on the Web, and although that doesn't always reach the non-critical thinkers (the only people their messages could work on), I think it worries the management. The big donators are more likely to be critical thinkers.
I have some sympathy with their idea that the caregivers of autistic people often have a very hard time indeed. Some caregivers burn themselves out, it can be a nightmare fighting the bureaucracy to try and secure support for an autistic person. We often have to be advocated for, and the state doesn't like spending public funds, so the family gets the runaround. A parent can become indispensible to an autistic person, losing their own life in the process, and what happens when the parent dies? Obviously, for a relatively mild Aspie, the difficulty is rather less, but I know of one parent who is working like mad and approaching burnout getting their Aspie child on her feet and protected from the cruel world. There is no diagnosis yet, apart from one of "it's just a bit of an anxiety problem, she'll grow out of it," but now there's more evidence, the diagnosticians suspect ASD and the symptoms do seem to fit her well. I'll take this back if she turns out to have something else.
I was relieved to read that the founders don't get paid. I hope that's true in reality as well as on paper.
Outside of cancer most "disease" advertising/fundraising does not go as far or as negative as Autism Speaks did and manage to raise plenty of money.
I dislike the this idea that one group of Autistics have it more difficult then another. Different in some ways yes.
Adults with Asperger's syndrome 'at higher risk of suicidal thoughts'
In detail, the team found that 66% of patients with Asperger's had thought about committing suicide and of these, 35% had planned or attempted suicide during their lifetime.
Yes so much less difficult on the so called higher end of the spectrum(sarcasm). Thing is because of communication issues we often don't know the difficulties or what LFA think and feel making any comparison a guess.
Since and suicide and suicide ideation is such a problem the agenda setting most powerful Autistic organization putting out this material is similar to pouring gasoline on a fire. A lot of harm comes from this.
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What do I think of Autism Speaks now?
I think they are even more toxic and dangerous and corrupt than I first thought they were. I think they plan to take over perceptions of autism so that they run and "manage" those perceptions, and that they plant stuff all over the place using the false cloaks of altruism, science, whatever suits their central goals. I think they know how to use hidden persuaders and are slick in their manipulation of public perception. I think they are immensely dangerous to the well-being of every person on the ASD spectrum, they are power crazy and at their head are two extreme narcissists who want the power and glory that false "saviours" always do. I can't express in any clear way how much I detest this organisation, its misuse of power and funds, everything it stands for and everything it does. The Leper speech at the Vatican by Suzanne Wright was the last straw for me, in giving them even a tiny benefit of the doubt. I hope they are hoist on their own petard and exposed totally for what they really are, and what they are really about. They prey on the naive in very manipulative ways. They are repulsive to me.
I also think that Fnord's analogy with Scientology has substance - Autism Speaks are a cult, and recruit prospects to indoctrinate with their cult beliefs, while milking them for large amounts of money. And like all these cults, they have to have designated enemies to demonise - in Scientology's case, it is "suppressive people". In Autism Speaks case, it is us. We are targets to them, and their hypocrisy in presenting us as their "cause to help" is utterly sickening. (B19 has to go and vomit now).
The only autistic person that was in their organization, John Elder Robison, quit because of their destructive messages and their dismissive behavior towards those on the spectrum. That told me all I needed to know about the organization and their followers. This was reaffirmed during the twitter hashtag takeover of #autismspeaks10 when they ignored every autistic that spoke out, and allowed hateful comments toward us from their supporters. Furthermore, they won't even acknowledge that we can speak for ourselves. To top even that, they decline interviews with everyone except those who would support them. If that wasn't bad enough, less than 5% of their funding goes toward actual services that help autistic people in any capacity, the rest goes to their paychecks, marketing, and "research" to find a "cure", a.k.a. research into genetic manipulation to keep newborns from developing autism in the first place.
Every message that they've sent out has been destructive, demeaning, dismissive, offensive, and belittling toward those they pretend to "advocate" for.
They may be the most popular and well organized "advocate", but they are by far, the worst group to call themselves such. I will never support Autism Speaks and I would do my best to convince others not to as well. The more supporters they have, the more destructive they've become.
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