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17 Apr 2015, 12:14 am

I never get over how many different boards there are. Countless themes, styles, and all sorts of variations. Yet always a high price for the good ones


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17 Apr 2015, 12:17 am

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Is it really rare for ASDers or Aspies to be good at Chess? :|

No, no different than any other group of people.
The better you are at analytics and strategy, the better you are at games like Chess.


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17 Apr 2015, 4:53 am

If I count my wins and loses, it's mostly loses. :lol: And I never met a single aspie in my entire life yet. Much less played with any.

I know how every pieces moves, I played around with it when I was younger with my neighbors, classmates and cousins... But overall, I'm not that good it mostly against my classmates, but I mostly win against my neighbors and cousins.
So I don't know. But I'm even so, I'm not confident.


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17 Apr 2015, 7:03 am

I am a highly analytical thinker but am absolutely horrible at Chess. I usually get knocked out within 6 moves.



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17 Apr 2015, 7:12 am

I find the game to be demoralizing. I'm a little better at go than chess and enjoy it more.

Computers are better than all the human chess players. I don't like to play people and playing the computer is very frustrating since the only way to beat it is to manually "make it stupid." I prefer games with a little bit of mystery.

Edit: I think "go" is a more aspie-friendly game since it relies more heavily on visual pattern-recognition and less so on tricks and tactics. It's not always the most clever player who wins. Often it's the most philosophical player who wins. The best players are still very very good at reading ahead. Whether you are a master at chess or go or any game of the like, a good working memory is required. And this doesn't always go hand in hand with autism.



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17 Apr 2015, 7:25 am

heavenlyabyss wrote:
I find the game to be demoralizing. I'm a little better at go than chess and enjoy it more.

Computers are better than all the human chess players. I don't like to play people and playing the computer is very frustrating since the only way to beat it is to manually "make it stupid." I prefer games with a little bit of mystery.

Edit: I think "go" is a more aspie-friendly game since it relies more heavily on visual pattern-recognition and less so on tricks and tactics. It's not always the most clever player who wins. Often it's the most philosophical player who wins. The best players are still very very good at reading ahead. Whether you are a master at chess or go or any game of the like, a good working memory is required. And this doesn't always go hand in hand with autism.


I've never come across anyone who has played go before, but always been curious about the game. How does it work?


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17 Apr 2015, 7:43 am

Commander wrote:
heavenlyabyss wrote:
I find the game to be demoralizing. I'm a little better at go than chess and enjoy it more.

Computers are better than all the human chess players. I don't like to play people and playing the computer is very frustrating since the only way to beat it is to manually "make it stupid." I prefer games with a little bit of mystery.

Edit: I think "go" is a more aspie-friendly game since it relies more heavily on visual pattern-recognition and less so on tricks and tactics. It's not always the most clever player who wins. Often it's the most philosophical player who wins. The best players are still very very good at reading ahead. Whether you are a master at chess or go or any game of the like, a good working memory is required. And this doesn't always go hand in hand with autism.


I've never come across anyone who has played go before, but always been curious about the game. How does it work?


It's very difficult to explain in text. The basic idea is that one player is black, one is white. There is a 19x 19 grid. Each player aims to form the most "territory" - that is, area of space "surrounded" by one color.

You can capture stones by surrounding an entire "group" at once as well.

Honestly, I can't explain it without a visual aid. You'd do better up just looking it up. It took me about a month to just learn the rules of the game, but now that I know them, they seem obvious. It's really a fun game, just difficult to explain.

I suppose you could give this site a try http://www.playgo.to/iwtg/en/ I learned from books, but this interactive seems okay.

The most difficult part is finding people to play against. Not overly popular in North America. Depends where you live. It's very popular in some Asian countries.

Edit: I play at http://www.gokgs.com. You can observe games there if you wish. Lowest rank is 30k (absolute beginner). Highest rank is 9 dan. Another good site is IGS.



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17 Apr 2015, 7:47 am

Not too bad of a description and I have seen some of the game before just never played it. Very interesting game from what I know with a different tactical application than chess


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17 Apr 2015, 8:14 am

heavenlyabyss wrote:

Computers are better than all the human chess players. I don't like to play people and playing the computer is very frustrating since the only way to beat it is to manually "make it stupid." I prefer games with a little bit of mystery.


Computers can now trump any human in both memory and the ability to run predictive simulations. Oh well. We can still beat them at Twister.



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17 Apr 2015, 10:46 am

Why would a person with AS be better at chess?

Unless it was their special interest I guess.


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17 Apr 2015, 11:53 am

Janissy wrote:
heavenlyabyss wrote:

Computers are better than all the human chess players. I don't like to play people and playing the computer is very frustrating since the only way to beat it is to manually "make it stupid." I prefer games with a little bit of mystery.


Computers can now trump any human in both memory and the ability to run predictive simulations. Oh well. We can still beat them at Twister.


One game that computers have not mastered, and may not be able to master, is Go.


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17 Apr 2015, 12:07 pm

I am pretty terrible at chess. My son has been beating me since he was 4yrs old.

I am a highly analytical person, though, so I think it is my working memory that fails me. Trying to keep track of all the possible moves and counter moves several steps ahead is pretty difficult!



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17 Apr 2015, 12:40 pm

I'm not bad considering that I've only played a few times.

There's a short section on the topic here https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IaF ... &q&f=false

Edit: search for chess when you load the page, since this link takes you to the bibliography.



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17 Apr 2015, 11:03 pm

I don't know why, but I just love teaching people how to play. HelckI enjoy teaching anyone anything I know well enough that's worth passing on, but it's especially fun with chess for whatever reason. As long as you ain't afraid of Losing chess us one of my favorite conversation tools to have. All you need is a set n some pleasant company :)


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18 Apr 2015, 2:43 am

I love Chess, but I'm terrible at it.


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18 Apr 2015, 4:56 am

A lot of chess players are on the spectrum, and probably all the very good ones (e.g. Bobby Fisher).

Chess is much more interesting for some ASDler than for all NTs: clear rules, few and easy communication, object-orientation instead of people-orientation, hyper-focus. If than the complexities of thinking are there, which probably requires already a certain obsessive drive (c. The Chess Story by Stefan Zweig), plus the special-interest for chess itself, they are good at it.

NTs simply lack motivation and the hyper-focus to engage in chess beyond child-age, their people-orientation is too strong, and as a social game chess is definitely not interesting enough and too challenging.

Games like chess and logic in general is also interesting for Aspergers as a compensation for a lack of cognitive empathy, because the exertion of cognitive empathy bears clear parallels to the mode of thinking required by a game like chess. Or the other way around: why should any true NT be interested in chess, physical theory or the writings of Lewis Carroll, if his continuous object of study is already something as intriguing a challenge as is human behavior???