Ridicule is THE MOST BRAINLESS THING EVER

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05 May 2015, 5:45 pm

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I've learned that sheer IGNORING is the best solution to those who seek to ridicule.


We all find our own solutions and ways of dealing with things, there's not necessarily one way that is best.



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05 May 2015, 5:48 pm

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that makes two of us I guess(this is a forum, not an echo chamber)


No you are quite mistaken, it doesn't make two of us.
nah, it does. you're apparently struck with the belief that this is a hugbox echochamber and not a discussion forum consisting of people with differing views.


We've supposedly never interacted before on here, but you really sound like someone with an axe to grind against me.
uh ok. I point out how avoiding ridicule isn't always an option, you respond by inferring I'm missing the point while missing my point yourself then progress to me having an axe to grind?



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05 May 2015, 5:54 pm

Self-ridicule is a thing that people practice that, starts off as bad but is then seen as ok because you can laugh at yourself and also if you feel comfortable with the other person, if you laugh with them about whatever the thing being ridiculed is, it is a way of them showing 'I see that you are like this, I think it is odd/weird/funny, but I accept you for being this way and I even like it'


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05 May 2015, 5:57 pm

Fugu wrote:
dianthus wrote:
Fugu wrote:
dianthus wrote:
Fugu wrote:
that makes two of us I guess(this is a forum, not an echo chamber)


No you are quite mistaken, it doesn't make two of us.
nah, it does. you're apparently struck with the belief that this is a hugbox echochamber and not a discussion forum consisting of people with differing views.


We've supposedly never interacted before on here, but you really sound like someone with an axe to grind against me.
uh ok. I point out how avoiding ridicule isn't always an option, you respond by inferring I'm missing the point while missing my point yourself then progress to me having an axe to grind?


Actually, you provided unsolicited advice. That's the issue.

When someone starts a post with something like "I hope this helps somebody," that means they're sharing not asking.

If upon reading such a post, you feel driven to post suggestions to prove that people don't have a right to post a helpful thread in a public forum without getting unsolicited advice in response, for reasons that may include demonstrating that said forum isn't an "echo-chamber" as you put it, that's a different issue.



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05 May 2015, 6:02 pm

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What I wanted to say to everyone, if anyone ridicules you, please don't assume that it means you're doing anything wrong. It probably just means that the person who is treating you that way has a real problem with themselves, and it's not about you at all. So don't be like me and start thinking that you can change your behavior to somehow gain this person's respect or avoid being treated that way

This reminds me of an elderly neighbor from my childhood. He ridiculed everyone for everything, a very bitter twisted man, with a forked tongue. If he knew a persons Achilles heel he would focus on it in every interaction, he would keep belittling a person until he found that one sensitivity to which they would react and then he preyed on it. If he couldn't find your sensitivity directly, he would go after the people or things you cared about. Like pets, he loved to poison peoples dogs, or pick on their children.
As a teenager I started to sing hello and wave at him, (he hated that) he had already poisoned one of our dogs, and done plenty of of nasty things, I guess I was cheesed off with the other method of behaving in ways that wouldn't provoke the git, because it had not worked. The point is that some people will not stop until they find a way to inflict pain, and figure out which sensitive scar to poke at for their entertainment.
And yes humor can be a good way to cope with it too.



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05 May 2015, 6:06 pm

Fugu wrote:
dianthus wrote:
Fugu wrote:
dianthus wrote:
Fugu wrote:
that makes two of us I guess(this is a forum, not an echo chamber)


No you are quite mistaken, it doesn't make two of us.
nah, it does. you're apparently struck with the belief that this is a hugbox echochamber and not a discussion forum consisting of people with differing views.


We've supposedly never interacted before on here, but you really sound like someone with an axe to grind against me.
uh ok. I point out how avoiding ridicule isn't always an option, you respond by inferring I'm missing the point while missing my point yourself then progress to me having an axe to grind?


You didn't actually offer a "differing view." You simply echoed what I wrote in my opening post. Then you offered a suggestion of what I should do, which I did not request.



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05 May 2015, 6:10 pm

voleregard wrote:
Fugu wrote:
dianthus wrote:
Fugu wrote:
dianthus wrote:
Fugu wrote:
that makes two of us I guess(this is a forum, not an echo chamber)


No you are quite mistaken, it doesn't make two of us.
nah, it does. you're apparently struck with the belief that this is a hugbox echochamber and not a discussion forum consisting of people with differing views.


We've supposedly never interacted before on here, but you really sound like someone with an axe to grind against me.
uh ok. I point out how avoiding ridicule isn't always an option, you respond by inferring I'm missing the point while missing my point yourself then progress to me having an axe to grind?


Actually, you provided unsolicited advice. That's the issue.

When someone starts a post with something like "I hope this helps somebody," that means they're sharing not asking.

If upon reading such a post, you feel driven to post suggestions to prove that people don't have a right to post a helpful thread in a public forum without getting unsolicited advice in response, for reasons that may include demonstrating that said forum isn't an "echo-chamber" as you put it, that's a different issue.
you make some good points that I should have realized earlier. oh well.
dianthus: sorry if I came off as belligerent or obnoxious.



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05 May 2015, 6:16 pm

All ridicule is not the same, sometimes it's ribbing between friends, sometimes it's a well deserved deflating of a pompous ass, and sometimes it's bitter and spiteful, but broad brushing it as brainless is not particularly helpful.


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05 May 2015, 6:20 pm

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Like pets, he loved to poison peoples dogs, or pick on their children.


Oh wow Amity, that is sick. 8O That's way beyond ridicule, it's downright sadistic.

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The point is that some people will not stop until they find a way to inflict pain, and figure out which sensitive scar to poke at for their entertainment.


Yes. I've known people like this.

And they don't always use obvious ridicule or insults. I known some also who would hide it under a façade of niceness. They would find a way to pick on something sensitive that only they and no one else knew about, so as far as anyone else saw it they had no idea how rude the person was being.

My ex would literally tell people that they were providing him "entertainment" while he ridiculed them.



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05 May 2015, 6:21 pm

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dianthus: sorry if I came off as belligerent or obnoxious.


No problem.



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05 May 2015, 6:22 pm

Example of using humor to deal with ridicule:



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05 May 2015, 6:28 pm

Ridicule provoces feeling of shame I have learned.
Feeling of shame is very destructive to a living being.
I read a book about a horse whisperer and he observed a herd of wild horses and the Alpha-animal was a female and there was a young stallion who was not behaving right, bothering other young horses and the female Alpha "scolded" him by putting him ut of the group and the young stallion showed signs of feeling ashamed (making signs with his nose in the ground, not lifting his head), until the female Alpha allowed him to be back into the group, which is life-saving for an herd-animal, as they do not survive without the group.


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05 May 2015, 6:39 pm

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Oh wow Amity, that is sick. 8O That's way beyond ridicule, it's downright sadistic.
I agree, on the surface it simply looked like ridicule, but this pickled old man had real problems and everyone he came into contact with had to deal with them.
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My ex would literally tell people that they were providing him "entertainment" while he ridiculed them.
That sort of displaces responsibility for other peoples reactions to his ridicule.



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06 May 2015, 2:06 am

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Ridicule is malicious. It also says more about the person doing it than the person being subjected to it.



Yes, it is a product of some aggressive memes that are tied to hierarchies.
If there were no hierarchy that required sorting/stratifying of individuals, then people would have little incentive to engage in ridicule.



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06 May 2015, 10:38 am

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Ridicule is malicious. It also says more about the person doing it than the person being subjected to it.
Yes, it is a product of some aggressive memes that are tied to hierarchies.
If there were no hierarchy that required sorting/stratifying of individuals, then people would have little incentive to engage in ridicule.

I agree. I've heard recipients of ridicule be advised to deal with it by recognizing that the ridiculers are "just jealous." But a boss at a job or a foreman on a site or a shopkeeper denigrating you is not "jealous."

People who ridicule, in my observation, are seeking to either establish or enforce hierarchical status, to place themselves above someone else or to indicate to others who to regard as having lower status.

Even the people who supposedly do it in jest, I've found are actually trying to reframe the hierarchy, but do it in a covert way that is less likely to incite retaliation.



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06 May 2015, 10:57 am

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I've just been figuring this out lately and hope it helps someone.

I'm very sensitive to ridicule. I realized my sensitivity to it has gotten so bad in the last few years, that I now feel like I'm continually trying to avoid being ridiculed. Like trying really hard to not to make any little mistakes or flub anything, to hide anything weird or unusual about myself, and to avoid showing any real vulnerability or weakness around people who might laugh at it.

It's like I thought if only I could do everything the right way, no one would ever have the opportunity to ridicule me again. But in reality? People can ridicule ANYTHING. All it takes for instance is, repeating what someone said in a funny voice. Or imitating a gesture in an exaggerated way. Or simply reacting in mock astonishment to something. It doesn't take any special thought or wit or cleverness to do this. All it takes it the intent to belittle someone.

And the fact that this happens, doesn't mean that the person who is being ridiculed actually did anything worthy of being ridiculed. That's what is being implied by the person doing the ridiculing, but it's not true. They (or you, or I) may have done something that is perfectly respectable. In fact what people find ridiculous in one situation or culture, may be highly valued in another.

What I wanted to say to everyone, if anyone ridicules you, please don't assume that it means you're doing anything wrong. It probably just means that the person who is treating you that way has a real problem with themselves, and it's not about you at all. So don't be like me and start thinking that you can change your behavior to somehow gain this person's respect or avoid being treated that way.

Thank you for this post. I agree with you. I often think about what you said in this post. Many people unnecessarily ridicule vulnerable people to belittle them. Sadly, many others are easily influenced by such mean-spirited people. I've been a victim many times because of my awkwardness, foreign accent, OCD, being single etc. For the last few years I've been very aware that it's not me, it's them. I'm so much happier now because of that awareness.