Do you think we should be allowed to mate?

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07 May 2015, 1:49 pm

...No , I don't agree that we shouldn't reproduce . We've probably existed all through human history , anyway ! :?



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07 May 2015, 1:56 pm

100% believe we should be allowed to mate. We are humans. It's a basic human right.



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07 May 2015, 2:12 pm

Just because my life is a challenge does not mean I will countenance eugenics. Most people can't see it but OP's complaints pertain to being born in a state of nature. Yes, you might be eaten by mongooses but why on earth should that prevent you from marveling at the habitat you share with them?


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07 May 2015, 3:24 pm

If you feel like your life is too painful, you seem to be quite capable of ending it yourself. It's not good logic to say "my life is too painful, I see that it is painful because of thing x, therefore anyone with thing x should not be allowed to exist"
We all should be allowed the right to end our own lives.


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07 May 2015, 4:03 pm

anthropic_principle, I'm sorry your life is so full of suffering but please don't assume that just because you feel that your life is worthless that every other autistic person does/will/would feel the same way about their life.

Yes, disability can and often does cause suffering (even when the people around you do everything they can to accomodate you), but that doesn't automatically mean that a disabled life is not worth living. Suffering doesn't make joy impossible -- not for everyone/not always, anyways.

Imagine if I said this:

I find apples so disgusting that they make me vomit every time I try to eat them. Nobody should ever have to suffer the nightmare that is apples so I think nobody should be allowed to eat them. Apples should be banned and every effort should be made to erase them from the earth.

Would you think I was being fair? Would you think it's reasonable for me to assume that everyone has the same experience of apples that I do? (Disability and apples are very different kinds of things but, as far as I can tell, the logic and assumptions I'm using are very similar to yours.)

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What causes autistic people to suffer is not always autism itself. It's mostly people around them that make them suffer.
Im well aware of that.. but lets be honest the world isnt changing for us any time soon is it.


So if someone suffers a lot because they're a racial minority living in an extremely racist society that looks like it won't change much anytime soon, do you think it would be fair/reasonable/moral/right to say that nobody from that racial minority should be allowed to reproduce -- simply because it looked like the world wasn't going to become less racist anytime soon?


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07 May 2015, 5:10 pm

I used to think like the OP when I was depressed, for many many years.

Now that I've treated the root cause of my symptoms and am a happier healthier person for it, I no longer think I should never reproduce due to mental state or neurological makeup. A child isn't something I want in my life at the moment, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely... never know, if life changes over the years and it's something I want and can accommodate, I might just Neil Patrick Harris me up a kid of my own vs. just spoiling my God kids & nephews.


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07 May 2015, 6:33 pm

I'm really glad no one stopped me from becoming a parent. It's the greatest thing that ever happened to me. (And of course to my children, who wouldn't exist otherwise.)

My three kids are all NTs. Also they are my favorite people in the world, and this seems to be reciprocated.

Two of them are adults and the third is going to be grown up soon. The worst part of having children is when they grow up and move out.



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07 May 2015, 8:30 pm

I personally don't think anyone should reproduce for a while, we're a tad overpopulated. But if an autistic person can handle the stress of a offspring, is capable and desires to reproduce, go for it.

Y'all can have as many kids as you want, but I don't want a snotting child to stress me to the point of death.


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07 May 2015, 8:55 pm

Why should anyone be allowed to mate? The world is horrifically overpopulated and most people are stupid, greedy, evil and disgusting. Climate change, war, disease, what's the point? At least half the world's population should be castrated or killed. :x



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07 May 2015, 9:54 pm

Though it has gotten much better, people of color have been persecuted, murdered, forced into slavery because of white NT culture. Should they have not been allowed to reproduce because of the despicable acts put on them? Of course not. They, as a group, along with allies, worked to change [still a ways to go] things. That is what we need to do.



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08 May 2015, 1:38 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
Why should anyone be allowed to mate? The world is horrifically overpopulated and most people are stupid, greedy, evil and disgusting. Climate change, war, disease, what's the point? At least half the world's population should be castrated or killed. :x


Why don't you go ahead and try to castrate me then?


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08 May 2015, 1:42 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
Why should anyone be allowed to mate? The world is horrifically overpopulated and most people are stupid, greedy, evil and disgusting. Climate change, war, disease, what's the point? At least half the world's population should be castrated or killed. :x



Actually its more certain areas of the world that have very dense concentrations of people...but over-all the world is not as crammed packed as you might think. The over-population thing gets blown out of proportion a lot in my opinion, besides just give it 5 years I am sure the numbers are likely to be thinned out some. Also what to you makes someone deserving of castration or pre-mature death, because half of the entire population of the world is kind of a big group to be making such generalized statements about.


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08 May 2015, 6:02 am

Supposing that you care about the well-being of people who are currently alive, it is important to maintain a certain percentage of young people to support the aging portion of the population. If the birth rate decreases too drastically there are problems, such as what Japan is experiencing now. So to ensure social and economic stability, birthrate reduction has to be somewhat more gradual.



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08 May 2015, 6:14 am

Fortunately for weirdos like me, stagnant birthrates compress what might have been decades of robotics (and therefore aerospace) development into just a few short years. Some people force their kids onto football teams, for me it will probably be the local FIRST league clubs. Reproduction mostly just strikes me as a means for the species to accomplish more interesting stuff, I don't even want to know what that says about my upbringing. Feh, I'm not even really decided on spending my whole life on Earth anyway...


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08 May 2015, 6:33 am

No-one "allowed" me to have children, I didn't need anyone's permission, it was a choice I made and have never regretted. I have 3 children - one BAP, one Aspergers and one NT - they are all equally successful in their chosen fields and two are (very good) parents, the other is childless by choice. They don't regret existing. Perhaps for now you are going through a terribly unhappy phase, currently wishing you had never existed; this may be transitional experience that will open up later on to a new way of living which is much happier for you. I sincerely hope so. Often these "soul storms" leave a strange new feeling of peace in their wake and we can learn new things from these experiences where we re-evaluate our experiences, responses and identity.



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09 May 2015, 10:49 am

cavernio wrote:
If you feel like your life is too painful, you seem to be quite capable of ending it yourself. It's not good logic to say "my life is too painful, I see that it is painful because of thing x, therefore anyone with thing x should not be allowed to exist"
We all should be allowed the right to end our own lives.


What?
How does that address my position at all?
I'm saying we should prevent the suffering by not forcing others to be born with this condition in the first place.
I didn't choose to live.. I would've definitely chosen not to if I could see what lied ahead for me.
And I know a lot of other people feel the same way.