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01 Jun 2015, 5:40 pm

Two things come to mind here based on previous posts that brought up conformity. This relates to how companies expect their employees to behave while working for them.

1. Many companies now have a Code of Conduct (CoC) in place. Ideally, all employees working with a company will sign a piece of paper that says they agree with the CoC and various other company policies. There are also many guidelines that are followed to ensure that these policies are effective and that the employees adhere to the CoC. Of course, this CoC does dictate how you represent the company outside of work as well and how you even spend your time.

Most companies could really care less however what you do with your personal time unless you make it clear that you work for them and spill out some pretty important information that could harm the company's reputation.

2. Aside from that, if you act in a manner outside of work that could conflict with your ability to do your job (this is referred to as conflict of interest), you could very well face discipline for it. This conflict of interest from my understanding would relate to employee having two jobs and it's impact on productivity or performance at either job. Part of this conflict of interest would probably be amended to include physical activities outside of work. Example: You do physical labour jobs that require you to lift, bend and reach above your heads. You play soccer and occasionally have a hard time doing your job properly the next day after a game. The company you work for may then decide that all employees are no longer allowed to play soccer and add it to the conflict of interest policy. Is it fair? No. But companies demand production and they want you to be responsible enough with your own time to be able to be productive at work. That is all the matters to them after all.

With that being said, companies will expect conformity from their employees. And who makes those decisions? Human Resources, Legal departments and upper management at any place of employment. And if you don't agree with the policies that they have in place that you have read... as far as the management team is concerned, you can go find another job since you won't fit into what they want from their employees.


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01 Jun 2015, 6:01 pm

Sometimes I wish we'd never coined the term "neurotypicals." It's kind of asking for trouble, like "gentiles," it's taken to mean "that lot."



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01 Jun 2015, 6:03 pm

I do love nts. They are my family.



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01 Jun 2015, 6:06 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
Sometimes I wish we'd never coined the term "neurotypicals." It's kind of asking for trouble, like "gentiles," it's taken to mean "that lot."


If the term didn't exist, another would. Although it's not necessarily an ''us-vs-them" thing, there is still a 'them' by any name simply because there is an 'us.' For any definition of anything to exist, there must be that thing that is and something else that is not.


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01 Jun 2015, 6:21 pm

"Non-autistic?"



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01 Jun 2015, 6:32 pm

So now OP thinks that NTs are lame just because he's sure he's autistic? Lame if you want my opinion.



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02 Jun 2015, 6:01 pm

jimmyboy76453 wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Sometimes I wish we'd never coined the term "neurotypicals." It's kind of asking for trouble, like "gentiles," it's taken to mean "that lot."


If the term didn't exist, another would. Although it's not necessarily an ''us-vs-them" thing, there is still a 'them' by any name simply because there is an 'us.' For any definition of anything to exist, there must be that thing that is and something else that is not.


Well yes, it probably wouldn't solve much to abolish the term. Although, given that everybody is supposed to manifest at least a little bit of autism, perhaps NTs don't actually exist, at least not in a 100%, black-and-white sense?



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03 Jun 2015, 5:47 am

NTs are people.

Autists are people.

We are all people, here on this earth.

I think that if we fight amongst ourselves we simply make the predicament worse.


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03 Jun 2015, 11:30 am

CryosHypnoAeon: I truly feel very badly that you've had such a bad experience with NTs (ie, violence and emotional abuse, you've cited)----but, that fact IS, I don't think there's a person, HERE, who HASN'T. I totally understand you're feeling bitter, hurt, angry, etc.----cuz, we've ALL been hurt, have had to work-through pain, embarrassment, anger, etc. Some of us manage it, at a younger age, than your 38 years----some of us haven't managed it, even by the time we're almost 60----which brings me to the topic of your OP.....

Age means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING regarding one's intelligence, maturity, wisdom, etc. A prime example is right here, on this site----we have a just-barely-a-teenager who is going-on, about 30; and, at-the-same-time, we have a just-barely-a-teenager, here, going-on about TWO. All-of-my-life I've met 50 / 60 year-olds that didn't have a brain in their ENTIRE BODY----and, I've met (in-person, I'm talking-about, now) 17 / 19 year-olds, with a VERY good head, on their shoulders.

One can't even say "experience" makes a person smart, wise, whatever----cuz, IMO, it depends-on whether someone has learned anything, from that experience----and, applied it. Lots of people (ASDers, as well) learn things everyday, but don't APPLY it.

IMO, it takes a combination of things, to get-along in this world----NO MATTER if "this world" was created by NTs, or NOT. If the world was created by ASDers, do you really think you'd get-along, with all of THEM?

You mentioned in one of your posts about the doctor, from whom you hoped to get your Dx, treating you like an idiot..... We've ALL experienced people treating us like an idiot; AND, doctors, generally speaking, of course, can be total butt-wipes----again, as many of us have experienced----so, you just go to ANOTHER one.

Again, as for the violence of NTs: I'm truly sorry you've experienced this, but I think most of us HAVE. There's people, here, who have been beaten-up, bullied, physically, emotionally, mentally abused----and THAT was by their families (myself, included)----BUT, here's the thing..... THOSE PEOPLE are WRONG----NOT YOU!! Yes, it can seem like a terribly violent world, at times----I was in 2 different locations, the-other-day, where fights broke-out; but, I was unharmed, so I just went-about my business----but, don't let it influence YOU----even if it's just at the point of being a victim, as it seems you're experiencing, right now, because you're seeming to say you hate NTs. HATE will NEVER make you feel better, in the long-run----it'll only kill you, LITERALLY!

In conclusion, if you're being the best person you know to be----if you're learning everything about social skills, realizing there's always room, for improvement, etc.; if you're being kind, caring, etc.----then, when you run-across someone (ASDers, included) who's NOT being nice / accepting / patient, etc., just brush-it-off, and keep-on going. I know that's not easy to do / accept, right now, cuz you're hurting, but that's what we ALL have had to do, to survive!





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04 Jun 2015, 8:22 am

CryosHypnoAeon wrote:
I've noticed that every post where I mention NTs in a realistic way (you guys may see it perhaps negatively) that 100% of you back up NTs and the system they've created (that is completely controlled by systems of hierarchical power, that most of you have no real access to, unbeknownst to you, mainly because most of you are very young and have no real experience in the world, unless you're already born into a rich NT family of course).

I'll let you in on a little secret.
You'll be in for a never-ending horrifying shock when you grow up and are forced to make your way, alone, in this world. A world of NTs.

And don't come crawling to me.
I'll be busy enjoying my vacation time,
Alone and remote somewhere, just like I like it :)

It's funny to watch young, mindless NDs type responses without thinking, or understanding what they're talking about. How could you ? You have no experience in such matters. Sad thing is nobody can make you understand. Only way is to fall prey to NTs and learn that way.

Good luck,
I give you as much sympathy as you give me ;)
Fair's fair.


tl;dr^ Other people are evil because they don't conform to my wishes in every way.


Honestly, grow a pair.


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04 Jun 2015, 8:35 am

It's true that I especially am young. However, I doubt the OP has spent the last 8 years exclusively completely surrounded by ND's the way I have. I hate to break it to you, but it's certain people that suck, regardless of them being ND or NT. If you think that you would not be mistreated in a world of ND's, I'm afraid you're mistaken.



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04 Jun 2015, 8:41 am

Never seen "neurodiverse" shortened to "NDs."

Is this becoming common now?

It does make sense.



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04 Jun 2015, 12:12 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Never seen "neurodiverse" shortened to "NDs."

Is this becoming common now?

It does make sense.


I like ND too, because it just doesn't sound accurate to call all people without an ASD ''neurotypicals''.


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05 Jun 2015, 3:41 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Never seen "neurodiverse" shortened to "NDs."

Is this becoming common now?

It does make sense.


First time I've ever seen it, but I like it. Not every kid in my school is ASD, so ND covers all of us.



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05 Jun 2015, 3:44 am

I think of North Dakota every time I see ND.



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05 Jun 2015, 3:06 pm

starkid wrote:
I think of North Dakota every time I see ND.
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