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18 Jun 2015, 5:50 pm

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I am not sure what is the problem with saying that someone may be misdiagnosed if they say that they don't understand many of the issues in autism and don't understand how anyone can have those problems at all. There is nothing wrong with people suggesting that the OP could be misdiagnosed, it is not some personal/group identity thing or attempt to isolate the OP.

And, if anything, it may help the OP. While they can stay here and post all they want, OP can now look for any people with ADHD to see if that actually fits better for them.

By saying that it is not saying "go away". We're just trying to help find a closer explanation of the symptoms. Some of those listed are core autism symptoms and lack of those does suggest a misdiagnosis is possible. I don't know anything about ADHD but that there are different types and that does sound like the inattentive type. Some people with autism are misdiagnosed inattentive ADHD, some people with inattentive ADHD are misdiagnosed autism. There is an overlap of symptoms.

If trying to help find people like OP is, basically, circlejerking then I just don't know what to even do :|

There's an important difference between suggesting someone might want to revisit their diagnosis and asserting (with almost practically none of the relevant information) that someone is definitely misdiagnosed.

The first is constructive feedback that may be helpful in the ways you two are suggesting. The second is invalidating and presumptuous, and implies that you know or understand far more about their situation than you actually do.

There have been some of the first type of comment in this thread. But there have also been several of the second type as well.

Nobody here is qualified to diagnose someone else through these forums. That goes for a positive or a negative diagnosis.



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18 Jun 2015, 6:10 pm

If you are responding to what I wrote, being that I didn't single anyone out, point to a specific quote, or give any indication as to whom I was speaking about, then you are feeling guilty and absolutely rightfully so. No amount of absolution will dissolve that no matter how you try to spin it.



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18 Jun 2015, 7:34 pm

I don't feel guilty about anything I said.
I stand by it completely.


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18 Jun 2015, 7:40 pm

I don't think that posters on wp are obligated to reinforce each diagnosis or self-diagnosis.
Not reinforcing doesn't mean trying to stop others from joining some in-group.
This way of thinking seems hypersensitive or paranoid to me.
If someone posts doubts about their official diagnosis but seem to have misinterpreted autism criteria to bias themselves against diagnosis, then I would say that they likely have autism but misinterpreted criteria to make it seem like they don't.
Each person who has doubts or questions about official diagnosis is individual, and most posters try to call it as they view it in an attempt to help, not harm.


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18 Jun 2015, 7:55 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I don't think that posters on wp are obligated to reinforce each diagnosis or self-diagnosis.
Not reinforcing doesn't mean trying to stop others from joining some in-group.
This way of thinking seems hypersensitive or paranoid to me.
If someone posts doubts about their official diagnosis but seem to have misinterpreted autism criteria to bias themselves against diagnosis, then I would say that they likely have autism but misinterpreted criteria to make it seem like they don't.
Each person who has doubts or questions about official diagnosis is individual, and most posters try to call it as they view it in an attempt to help, not harm.



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18 Jun 2015, 8:32 pm

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I don't feel guilty about anything I said.
I stand by it completely.


Good, glad to hear it. Then you shouldn't have taken anything I said personal, yet here we are. With you feeling you need to defend your actions. This seems hypersensitive and paranoid to me for someone who doesn't feel guilty. I on the other hand feel really justified in what I said, even more so now than I did before.

Just calling it like I see it.



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18 Jun 2015, 8:57 pm

kicker wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I don't feel guilty about anything I said.
I stand by it completely.


Good, glad to hear it. Then you shouldn't have taken anything I said personal, yet here we are. With you feeling you need to defend your actions. This seems hypersensitive and paranoid to me for someone who doesn't feel guilty. I on the other hand feel really justified in what I said, even more so now than I did before.

Just calling it like I see it.

You labeled people as attacking someone and they disagreed with you, I don't understand why you feel justified about what? It seems like it's turned the OP asking a question into an argument about who is bad, which gets the OP nowhere. Unless OP was trolling, but it doesn't seem like you think that, and I would not imagine that to be the case. OP just asked a question.

What's going on?



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18 Jun 2015, 9:07 pm

Autism, as a few people stated, could present itself in many different ways.

Just because YOU may not have a specific symptoms doesn't preclude you from having autism.

Some autistic people have severe sensory difficulties; others do not.
Some autistic people have difficulty discerning facial expressions; others do not.
Some autistic people have difficulty speaking; others do not.

There are symptoms which are common to all autistic people; there are others which only some autistic people exhibit.

And how could one diagnose, or assume a misdiagnosed, based on what's written on an Internet forum?



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18 Jun 2015, 9:12 pm

It's presumptuous to assume that one is misdiagnosed, based upon what's written on an Internet forum.

As some others within this thread stated, autism presents itself in different ways in different people

Some autistic people have severe sensory difficulties; others do not.
Some autistic people have difficulty talking; others do not.
Some autistic people have face-recognition difficulties; others do not.

One thing to keep in mind: Autism is a SPECTRUM. There are some who actually believe there are "autisms," rather than one condition called "autism."

Just because one does not have a particular symptom of a condition, doesn't mean the person doesn't have a condition.

Some people with cancer exhibit NO symptoms; other people with cancer exhibit severe symptoms, ETC.



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18 Jun 2015, 9:24 pm

I thought the first post didn't take--that's why I made a similar post immediately afterwards. Sorry about that.



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18 Jun 2015, 9:29 pm

That's true, if you have hyperactivity or sensory issues, that could cause you to have the "repetitive motions" for the second half of the autism diagnosis. Do you have any problems communicating with people in person or on the phone? (ADHD-related attention and memory problems can cause that to some degree, but autism has other obstacles.) We don't all have "social awkwardness," in the sense of being uncomfortable or nervous in social situations, but that's a common side effect of repeated social failures. Your personality and personal experiences will effect secondary problems like that.

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Thank you for helping me clarify. I suppose without experienceing theese things my self there's really no way of fully understanding it. Although I find your insight useful and fascinating. However if I can't fully understand how best can I deal with friends and my girfriend who have some of these issues?

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It might help to think of it in terms of action. What actions do they feel compelled to do? What actions would they like you to do? What actions cause problems for them? Out of actions they're physically capable of doing, which ones are more difficult or more stressful than normal? That's info you'll have to get from them.

For example, I'm hypersensitive and my friend/roommate is sensory-seeking. This leads to some conflicts. He has learned things like, I refuse to go to the mall on a Saturday, he needs to pause the tv to have a conversation with me, I don't want to be around while he has three different entertainment products blasting noise at him, and I'll be ticked if he asks me to drive him somewhere and piles on a bunch of stinky cologne right before we leave. I'll never be able to understand why he wants a tv show and a video game at the same time, maybe a podcast too, but he does, so I spend a lot of time in another room so he can do that without making me wanting to murder things.


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18 Jun 2015, 9:40 pm

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btbnnyr wrote:
I don't feel guilty about anything I said.
I stand by it completely.


Good, glad to hear it. Then you shouldn't have taken anything I said personal, yet here we are. With you feeling you need to defend your actions. This seems hypersensitive and paranoid to me for someone who doesn't feel guilty. I on the other hand feel really justified in what I said, even more so now than I did before.

Just calling it like I see it.

You labeled people as attacking someone and they disagreed with you, I don't understand why you feel justified about what? It seems like it's turned the OP asking a question into an argument about who is bad, which gets the OP nowhere. Unless OP was trolling, but it doesn't seem like you think that, and I would not imagine that to be the case. OP just asked a question.

What's going on?


I don't need to explain myself nor do I feel I do. My feelings are my own and aren't subject to being validated by anyone, but me. Also it's usually better to ask what's going on first, before jumping into the middle of something you don't fully comprehend.



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18 Jun 2015, 11:11 pm

Judas wrote:
Thank you for helping me clarify. I suppose without experienceing theese things my self there's really no way of fully understanding it. Although I find your insight useful and fascinating. However if I can't fully understand how best can I deal with friends and my girfriend who have some of these issues?

I think it can be hard to know how we appear to others, and ASDs are diagnosed to a large extent from how we appear to others rather than how we feel or what we think about ourselves, so your original question is hard to respond to; but for this one, given the variation and the fact that human beings generally like to feel we matter and are heard, maybe just asking might work best. :)



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18 Jun 2015, 11:28 pm

Regarding the protecting of interests, I think it is a made-up motive that most people are not having when they are posting their opinions on whether someone might be misdiagnosed with autism or other disorders, e.g. kicker's long post on page 1 mentioning this protecting of interests. I don't think that people are doing anything like this and trying to drive away the OP or anyone else who posts in a similar manner to wonder about their diagnosis. In some cases, it seems like someone may be misdiagnosed with autism from what they report about themselves, but in other cases, it seems like they are correctly diagnosed but doubting their diagnosis too much based on not fitting a particular autism stereotype.


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19 Jun 2015, 1:55 am

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then you are feeling guilty and absolutely rightfully so

You got that right :cry: I don't know why I try to help, I always do it wrong and now you all hate me :cry:

But you know what? Screw it. I'll try to explain to give you some more things to hate me for. Hopefully I won't be around much longer, so screw it. Just screw it. Why not?

I didn't say OP was misdiagnosed, I said I knew nothing about ADHD. I've just heard on here about people in the past being diagnosed inattentive ADHD as kids but as adults it's actually high functioning autism, something that didn't really exist before the 90s, and about all the overlapping symptoms. What I was saying is that maybe it could go the other way.

I am sick of being ripped apart for my bad wording on this site. Kicker you should feel guilty too. I've agreed with your posts in the past. This is the second meanest anyone here has ever been to me. Screw you. I hate you. Dick.

This place used to be nice. Now f*****g nowhere is. That or it's all me and I should be dead.

Bet you find that funny that you made me cry you c**t.



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19 Jun 2015, 4:30 am

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social awkwardness, fearing change, needing to stick to routines, needing to do things in a certain way, irrational fears and beliefs about things, getting caught up and going on and in about narrow subjects and getting caught up in what I would consider trifles, which I had honestly I would not give two s**ts about.

I can however relate to difficulties in excecutive functions, such as memorizing, organizing, processing and staying in track.


You know what, f**k it. I'm gonna do this. The pieces I've quoted here are the relevant pieces to this.

Here is the DSM5 for autism: https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autis ... c-criteria

Here is a description of inattentive ADHD: http://www.webmd.com/adhd-inattentive-type

Obviously I can't base something just off of something wrote online. But I really think OP should look more into inattentive ADHD, its symptoms and see if there are any communities like wrongplanet but for ADHD instead of autism to see if they share more in common with people with ADHD than you do with people with autism, OP. If they do then it may be worth a second opinion on diagnosis if you think it'll benefit you. If not, then I don't know. That's all I can really offer.

MOD EDIT due to personal attacks.