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sherrie
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18 Aug 2015, 1:09 am

thank you all for your opinions and thoughts... this will help me :D :heart:



sherrie
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18 Aug 2015, 1:10 am

thank you all for your opinions and thoughts... this will help me :D



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18 Aug 2015, 1:15 am

sherrie wrote:
thank you all for your opinions and thoughts... this will help me :D :heart:


No probs. Hope it all goes well at school..



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18 Aug 2015, 12:45 pm

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Aaah. fair enough. So not only do you see these wide spectrum states as disorders, but also genetic malfunctions.....across the board. Would I be reading that right?


You seem to be under the assumption that I am using these terms under a negative connotation. I am using the literal terms and those are what they are. They are a disorder because they aren't the standard cognitive state. Also, with the current scientific information we have they are caused by genetic mutations.



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18 Aug 2015, 4:27 pm

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A thing to keep in mind is there are cases of identical twins, where only one is autistic.


My personal hypothesis (which is not backed up by research, so I don't know if the science supports it at all) is that it is epigenetic: in which an environmental factor like a virus or chemical turns a gene on or off. So your identical twins might both have the potential for autism spectrum disorders, but only one has been exposed to the trigger and is autistic. The other twin would be a carrier for the gene, which he or she would pass on to his or her children. This might also mean that ASD skips generations, or is shown in nieces and nephews. I also suspect that ASD may be polygenic, caused by multiple genes, like schizophrenia, or may even be different genes causing similar conditions, which would account for the great variation in severity and symptoms.

Again, I haven't researched the genetic component of ASD, and I haven't studied genetics in 20 years, so I am sure that others here can tell us if current studies support or refute any of this. I hope these might be interesting avenues of research, however.


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18 Aug 2015, 6:00 pm

Soomander wrote:
trayder wrote:
Aaah. fair enough. So not only do you see these wide spectrum states as disorders, but also genetic malfunctions.....across the board. Would I be reading that right?


You seem to be under the assumption that I am using these terms under a negative connotation. I am using the literal terms and those are what they are. They are a disorder because they aren't the standard cognitive state. Also, with the current scientific information we have they are caused by genetic mutations.


I am a trained statutory interpreter and there is no way that that particular context denotes a neutral term. The majority who function within a cognitive range have determined that those who fall outside that range are functionally disordered. You go along with that which is fine. However, there is more to this game than the range of consciousness occupied by the majority.

It is up to us to work through that as the majority have no vested interest other than an academic one and perhaps a sense of compassion which we do not need...we need to understand what we are.



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19 Aug 2015, 1:36 pm

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I am a trained statutory interpreter and there is no way that that particular context denotes a neutral term.

I don't suppose you were trained too well then if you don't think scientific terminology can have a neutral connotation. As for the denotation, I'd recommend you search up the meanings of disorder and mutation as their definitions truely do not have a negative definition.



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19 Aug 2015, 3:13 pm

Soomander wrote:
trayder wrote:
I am a trained statutory interpreter and there is no way that that particular context denotes a neutral term.

I don't suppose you were trained too well then if you don't think scientific terminology can have a neutral connotation. As for the denotation, I'd recommend you search up the meanings of disorder and mutation as their definitions truely do not have a negative definition.


Disorder is the opposite state of order which is self evidently value based and not neutral as is mutation which is functionally at odds with evolution.

I am not interested in point scoring. But to suggest that the NT majority are capable of holding a neutral perception vis a vis any minority is demonstrably incorrect.