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28 Aug 2015, 2:09 am

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fellow aspies, if you had a choice, would you take Aspergers off the autism spectrum and declare it as it's own disability or would you prefer to be known as autistic instead?
this idea's been in my head for a while now, so give it a strong think. I know AS is on the spectrum but still.
me personally, i'd rather have none. but when It comes down to it i'd rather be known as an aspie only, even if it does sound really stupid in my accent. the word autism has too much of a stigma to me tbh


"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet".

You are what you are.

Since the only real difference between an Aspie and a person dealing with high-functioning classic autism is the fact Aspie's don't have a history of late language or language loss... That'd make Asperger's another form of autism. There are some reports I've heard of (tho' all the web pages seem to have just reprinted the same article) that there's a different type of brain difference in Aspie's than in classic Autistics, still... If the symptoms are the same...

Again, you are what you are. If you insist on dropping the "Autistic" identification and insist on only being called an "Aspie", people might want to know what that means. If they do research, they're just going to find out Aspies are Autistics who simply didn't have the language development problems most Autistics do.

What are you going to claim next? That your Aspie brain difference means you're not "human" but should be called something else?

You're human, and you have Autism. Get over it.

Get over it? It was only a question, not a rant.



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28 Aug 2015, 2:22 am

Good question and well thought out in my humble opinion.

Not quite sure how to answer it yet though. I do have an answer swimming around in there but it's not quite formed.

I'll get back to you.

Oh, here it comes. I don't consider myself autistic. No.

It's weird because I used to but as I've got older I've sort of settled in to mainstream life a lot more although I still do have difficulties.

I would say that autistic is far too severe a label for what I have.


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28 Aug 2015, 2:33 am

And personally as well, i think we have two distinct categories of people here and I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's a cultural thing.

We have the people with Aspergers who believe they have a disability and then we have the people with Aspergers who don't believe they are disabled.

I fall into the latter by the way.

So what I'm saying is (and I'm sure you'll all jump on me if I'm wrong) the people who believe that Aspergers does make them disabled are more likely to call themselves autistic.

*bites knuckle*


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28 Aug 2015, 7:03 am

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And personally as well, i think we have two distinct categories of people here and I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's a cultural thing.

We have the people with Aspergers who believe they have a disability and then we have the people with Aspergers who don't believe they are disabled.

I fall into the latter by the way.

So what I'm saying is (and I'm sure you'll all jump on me if I'm wrong) the people who believe that Aspergers does make them disabled are more likely to call themselves autistic.

*bites knuckle*

i thought i was the only 1 who thought like this.
yeah i don't consider myself autistic either. it's funny how some people on here are so quick to take the moral high ground and claim that you're bashing on all people on the spectrum even though that's not the case :roll:
pretty much explains why i wish i wasn't an Aspie at times..
that and the limited social skills.



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28 Aug 2015, 7:25 am

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I use autistic, but I feel a bit guilty sometimes because many "classic" autistic people have many more functional issues than I myself have. I'm not ashamed to be in a group with them at all, and view them as "cousins" to my own issues. It's a shame so many higher functioning people have an issue with being lumped together with low functioning peoples. I don't see many low functioning people on the site, there seemed like there were a lot more here about a year ago and they've all disappeared and I'm afraid it's because a group of the higher functioning peoples have made them feel unwelcome.

I´ve been having more or less the same thoughts, but I am widening my comprehrension of "autistic" and am beginning to use the word in my mind, like more of a quality than the handicap, it somehow is in our world anyway.
Yes, it´s a shame, that the classic and low functioning - and actually very insightful, autistic people have withdrawn to other sites.
Could it be, that the predominant discussion of problems in the high-functioning group is too different from that of the clearly handicapped group?
Highfunct. auties and aspies have difficulties, that are less visible, but still very determining in social life and work life. Looking normal while having an almost indestinguishable, but still mysteriously debilitating handicap, a borderline handicap in the normal NT everyday life, presents - not worse, but a very different set of problems, than those of the clearly handicapped.
Perhaps our discussions are too different.


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28 Aug 2015, 7:47 am

Jensen wrote:
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I use autistic, but I feel a bit guilty sometimes because many "classic" autistic people have many more functional issues than I myself have. I'm not ashamed to be in a group with them at all, and view them as "cousins" to my own issues. It's a shame so many higher functioning people have an issue with being lumped together with low functioning peoples. I don't see many low functioning people on the site, there seemed like there were a lot more here about a year ago and they've all disappeared and I'm afraid it's because a group of the higher functioning peoples have made them feel unwelcome.

I´ve been having more or less the same thoughts, but I am widening my comprehrension of "autistic" and am beginning to use the word in my mind, like more of a quality than the handicap, it somehow is in our world anyway.
Yes, it´s a shame, that the classic and low functioning - and actually very insightful, autistic people have withdrawn to other sites.
Could it be, that the predominant discussion of problems in the high-functioning group is too different from that of the clearly handicapped group?
Highfunct. auties and aspies have difficulties, that are less visible, but still very determining in social life and work life. Looking normal while having an almost indestinguishable, but still mysteriously debilitating handicap, a borderline handicap in the normal NT everyday life, presents - not worse, but a very different set of problems, than those of the clearly handicapped.
Perhaps our discussions are too different.


Good point. The significant differences in our functioning problems may give rise to a cultural split between the groups, since we have different issues. That being said, I myself, as a high functioner, refuse to accept anything less than equal treatment for low-functioners by others on the spectrum. I just find it morally dubious that someone can complain about all the issues they have, and then demean someone else for having the exact same issues only a more severe manifestation of them.



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28 Aug 2015, 8:02 am

Aggree, - but do you seriously think, that this is what happened?


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28 Aug 2015, 8:21 am

Personally I think that as someone who has Aspergers and who understands how it can affect ones life it comes in useful to helping people who aren't so fortunate.

I know that there is a lot of knowledge out there and a lot of non-autistic people are very qualified to help but I don't think there is anyone more qualified than someone who has actually lived with similar difficulties (albeit on a smaller scale) to actually comprehend what an autistic person has to live with.

I do function in society and I don't consider myself autistic, I was diagnosed with aspergers syndrome and I do consider that as a kind of separate thing (for me anyway) these days.

However, I do understand the helplessness to a degree and I would never demean anybody who is low functioning and I don't expect that most people would.

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28 Aug 2015, 8:54 am

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Aggree, - but do you seriously think, that this is what happened?

No, personally I think we have a group of Aspies that suffer from what a lot of humans do: low self esteem. I think they bash other autistics because there's a core part of them that feels good about putting someone else down. "I have it bad, but that person is way worse than me, so if I repeatedly point that out my own status will rise." That type of thought.

That being said I think it's feasible that in the future there would be a more natural cultural divide between the two groups because the experiences are so wildly different.



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28 Aug 2015, 9:06 am

I prefer both, depending on the context and who I'm speaking with. I think autism carries more weight to it, which can be both beneficial and problematic. So I use it when I'm trying to get across to someone that my mind really does work differently than theirs. I think when they hear Aspie they tend to think "that means he's just a little different" without really understanding the implications of what it means.

On the other hand, I pass reasonably well, so sometimes autism is too big of a concept for people to wrap their heads around immediately. How they think of autism, and how they view me are too different for them to align the two. So they dismiss the idea that I'm autistic too quickly. Aspie sort of minimalizes it some, and helps ease them into the idea that I'm on the spectrum.

Different words for different situations.



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28 Aug 2015, 9:11 am

This might sound disrespectful to some people so apologies in advance.

If I'm out with people either at work or out out and I do something a little bit "spectrumish" I just turn round and say "oh I must be wired a bit different".

It usually gets a laugh and people just move on.


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28 Aug 2015, 9:12 am

Aspie and Asperger have never sat well with me, I'm fine with just ASD or HFA.



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28 Aug 2015, 9:57 am

These are just words. Someone's choice of wording doesn't change anything.


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28 Aug 2015, 11:11 am

My opinion on the matter should be of no consequence; I want to know if it's factually so. I usually say I have Aspergers Syndrome, for that is the diagnosis I have. I will sometimes use "I am autistic/mildly autistic" for brevity or variety, as I have been taught that these things are close points on a large spectrum, making all of the above true. That being said, there is apparently some evidence that suggests people with Aspergers have some sort of significant difference in brain functionality compared to other categories of autism. How much truth there is to that, I can't say.


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28 Aug 2015, 1:32 pm

Regardless of what my signature says below, 95% of the time I tell people I'm autistic. I think my medical file says: High Functioning Autism (Asperger's subtype).

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28 Aug 2015, 4:41 pm

fuklyf wrote:
Sethno wrote:
fuklyf wrote:
fellow aspies, if you had a choice, would you take Aspergers off the autism spectrum and declare it as it's own disability or would you prefer to be known as autistic instead?
this idea's been in my head for a while now, so give it a strong think. I know AS is on the spectrum but still.
me personally, i'd rather have none. but when It comes down to it i'd rather be known as an aspie only, even if it does sound really stupid in my accent. the word autism has too much of a stigma to me tbh


"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet".

You are what you are.

Since the only real difference between an Aspie and a person dealing with high-functioning classic autism is the fact Aspie's don't have a history of late language or language loss... That'd make Asperger's another form of autism. There are some reports I've heard of (tho' all the web pages seem to have just reprinted the same article) that there's a different type of brain difference in Aspie's than in classic Autistics, still... If the symptoms are the same...

Again, you are what you are. If you insist on dropping the "Autistic" identification and insist on only being called an "Aspie", people might want to know what that means. If they do research, they're just going to find out Aspies are Autistics who simply didn't have the language development problems most Autistics do.

What are you going to claim next? That your Aspie brain difference means you're not "human" but should be called something else?

You're human, and you have Autism. Get over it.

Get over it? It was only a question, not a rant.

did a mod seriously edit my comment?
i had every right to be pissed off at that guy wtf