Rampage killer Chris Harper-Mercer was an Aspie

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03 Oct 2015, 9:16 pm

He sounds very alone, socially withdrawn and as if he feels he doesn't "fit in." That could be due to any number of conditions or even just an off the beaten path personality which it sounds like he was rejected based on. That doesn't have to be ASD but who knows. It could be severe depression due to not feeling as if anyone loves him. It could be social anxiety disorder. It could be generalized anxiety. It could be abuse. It could be anything.

Whatever the cause, it sounds like he felt everyone hated him and the world had rejected him, and it would seem that rejection that made him snap - not being on the spectrum (if he even is). Who knows, perhaps if he had been allowed to be different and if people had been willing to be close to him despite him not fitting the young American male stereotype, this may never have happened. I by no means know this as a fact nor do I even hold it as a firm theory, I'm just putting it out there. I think for many of us here, a huge, huge part of what has caused issues for us was society not accepting us...rather than ASD itself. In other words, my "weirdnesses" don't bother me, they bother other people and the forcing and jeering and rejection and so on caused me problems; if those had been absent I'd have had no problem with being on the spectrum. And I know I'm not the only ASD person who feels this way.

One way or another, there is no way we can armchair diagnose this man based on one article, so I'll just say, what a terrible tragedy, so awfully sad.

Hopefully this won't turn into another "autistic people are dangerous and tend to murder people" media frenzy. Time will tell.



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03 Oct 2015, 9:22 pm

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His mother said online he was an aspie, he was enrolled in a special needs school noted for having autistics in it, and you can't get in a special needs school without a official diagnosis of some kind. Add the descriptions of loner, special interests. I can't conclusively say he was a aspie but it looks likely ATM.

But the fact remains that most autistics are victims not perpetrators.


I didn't see this. Where was this information?



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03 Oct 2015, 9:34 pm

NowhereWoman wrote:
Hopefully this won't turn into another "autistic people are dangerous and tend to murder people" media frenzy. Time will tell.

Deciding to avoid people who are "different" in some way only makes the situation worse.

Personally, I think if people were just nicer overall, violence like this would be much less likely. I really do think it's that simple. There is so much nastiness on the internet and some people who spend all their time alone just soak it up until they snap.



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03 Oct 2015, 9:37 pm

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-oregon-college-gunman-torrance-20151001-story.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/us/chris-harper-mercer-umpqua-community-college-shooting.html?_r=0


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03 Oct 2015, 9:47 pm

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His mother said online he was an aspie, he was enrolled in a special needs school noted for having autistics in it, and you can't get in a special needs school without a official diagnosis of some kind. Add the descriptions of loner, special interests. I can't conclusively say he was a aspie but it looks likely ATM.

But the fact remains that most autistics are victims not perpetrators.


I didn't see this. Where was this information?

California records show that Ms. Harper had been a licensed vocational nurse. She is now a licensed practical nurse in Oregon. She apparently contributed to online forums dealing with health issues. In one exchange, a writer who appeared to be Ms. Harper offered assistance to the mother of a child with Asperger’s syndrome, saying, “I’m a nurse and also have an Aspergers kid.”


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03 Oct 2015, 9:49 pm

How did they know that the person on the online forum claiming to have an Asperger's kid was Ms. Harper? That sounded a bit mysterious, and very likely unsubstantiated. The press has a big tendency to run with a rumor and present it as fact, and then retract in some very out-of-the-way spot on their site or paper.


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03 Oct 2015, 9:54 pm

Mrs. Harper described as edgy and detailed oriented. Stockpiled weapons out of fear the 2nd amendment will be revoked.
http://businessnewsusa.org/news/nationa ... -1.2384460


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03 Oct 2015, 10:05 pm

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Mrs. Harper described as edgy and detailed oriented. Stockpiled weapons out of fear the 2nd amendment will be revoked.
http://businessnewsusa.org/news/nationa ... -1.2384460


LOL, this describes half my town. (How DO we keep winding up in these conservative towns, anyway...we're constantly the makings of a sitcom...barefoot tree-hugging nearsighted constantly-reading hippies in conservative town, hilarity ensues)

Seriously, flags and banners and bumper stickers everywhere about how guns don't kill people, people kill people; Take Back America (I didn't realize it was missing?), you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers, yadda yadda. I was actually responded to with shock and awe during one conversation I remember from several years ago when I was "outed" as a "lib"...why? Because my husband and I are liberals...but we have jobs???? Couldn't be... :lol: (I always respond to all this with good humor and have nothing against conservatism, everyone is different and we all make our own choices.)

I can't say this with authority but my best guess is that half my town isn't autistic.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there's no way this person is autistic. Perhaps he is.



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03 Oct 2015, 11:24 pm

Maybe they'll start taking it more seriously as a disability, i dunno

would rather not think about more prejudice against me



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03 Oct 2015, 11:42 pm

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How did they know that the person on the online forum claiming to have an Asperger's kid was Ms. Harper? That sounded a bit mysterious, and very likely unsubstantiated. The press has a big tendency to run with a rumor and present it as fact, and then retract in some very out-of-the-way spot on their site or paper.


I'm wondering the same thing. Basically, it's "Somebody said some woman on an unidentified internet forum said she's a nurse in Oregon and has an ASD kid." This is proof positive? :lol:

I mean it's not impossible, but...really? This is our proof that this guy has been DXd autistic? Unless there was more concrete information than this that I didn't see, which of course is possible.

He was in a special school that takes on various individuals, including but not limited to ASD individuals. I think it also said that school has students with emotional and other issues?

I'm not trying to be contrary or say he can't possibly be autistic. I'm just finding the reasoning to be really odd. I get that he hated noises and acted anti-social but that could be so many things.

Whether he is autistic or not, what does seem clear is that he felt rejected for being different...whatever that difference was. He eventually hated the world for it. I have felt very very rejected and even been bullied and abused for being on the spectrum, but I certainly have never considered killing anyone, that idea is horrifying to me. If he is indeed autistic I feel there must have been much more than that to motivate this man to open fire on completely innocent people.



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04 Oct 2015, 12:54 am

f**k right off. Am I alone with not wanting to be associated with f*****g murderers?

He went to a special school for learning disabilities and emotional issues. That's vague and could mean anything. Just because there are some people who happen to be autistic there (could be there because of comorbid(s), I don't know) doesn't make him Asperger's.

Being lonely and not fitting in. You know who else that applies to? f*****g anyone. Anyone has felt like that. Does NOT make him Asperger's.

I can't wait for the press to read this f*****g post and use the description of a damn sociopath and call it Asperger's.

"oh they lack empathy and they don't mind killing people they're heartless robots"

"look him and Adam Lanza there's clearly a connection people with Asperger's are violent"

In case you can't tell, I'm incredibly pissed off. I'm sick of killers being associated with us. The public will listen to the press if they don't know any better, and the press in the US seems like gossip. This is a recipe for disaster for our reputation.

Let's suppose he happens to have Asperger's. It was whatever else he had that caused him to murder several innocent people. If he does have Asperger's, which hasn't been confirmed, I bet he also has some kind of other disorder that's associated with violence.



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04 Oct 2015, 1:04 am

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f**k right off. Am I alone with not wanting to be associated with f*****g murderers?

He went to a special school for learning disabilities and emotional issues. That's vague and could mean anything. Just because there are some people who happen to be autistic there (could be there because of comorbid(s), I don't know) doesn't make him Asperger's.

Being lonely and not fitting in. You know who else that applies to? f*****g anyone. Anyone has felt like that. Does NOT make him Asperger's.

I can't wait for the press to read this f*****g post and use the description of a damn sociopath and call it Asperger's.

"oh they lack empathy and they don't mind killing people they're heartless robots"

"look him and Adam Lanza there's clearly a connection people with Asperger's are violent"

In case you can't tell, I'm incredibly pissed off. I'm sick of killers being associated with us. The public will listen to the press if they don't know any better, and the press in the US seems like gossip. This is a recipe for disaster for our reputation.

Let's suppose he happens to have Asperger's. It was whatever else he had that caused him to murder several innocent people. If he does have Asperger's, which hasn't been confirmed, I bet he also has some kind of other disorder that's associated with violence.


I can understand you being pissed off about this (I don't like this knee-jerk association the press likes to make between violent loners and autism, either)--but can we refrain from telling each other to f**k right off? That helps nothing. And if that "f**k right off" wasn't directed at anyone in particular, then maybe consider using other words to express your anger that don't sound like you are insulting other posters here.



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04 Oct 2015, 1:23 am

Nobody in particular, just whoever included the word Asperger's in that article based on one post some random woman in Oregon made who happened to claim to be a nurse and have a son with Asperger's. Doesn't mean it was his mother. It's not confirmed, so why post it on that article? Some ignorant news station is going to go around calling yet another murderer Asperger's.



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04 Oct 2015, 2:00 am

What are the common factors to nearly all of these mass murderers? The answers are obvious: they are almost invariably males, with chips on their shoulders, easy access to guns and they are American.

Autism is not a common feature to this group. If autism was the common causal factor, we would expect to see the same mass-shooting phenomenon wherever autists live and have access to guns - New Zealand, for example, or Australia, or Switzerland (which has the third highest rate of gun ownership per capita in the world, after the USA and Yemen in first and second places).

But you don't see this happening in Switzerland, New Zealand nor Australia and other countries in the way it happens so frequently in the USA because autism per se is obviously not the "cause" of mass murder. If it were, it would be an international phenomenon.

The American reactionary tendency to quickly scapegoat autists serves a useful purpose, obviously - it quickly diverts the spotlight from where it would reveal something more illuminating about American culture. Scapegoats always serve a useful diversionary purpose when telling the truth is the most radical thing to do, as it seems to be when anyone seriously questions the sanity of the USA gun culture and the wreckage that are the innocent human sacrifices made on the altar of that culture.

If autism causes mass murder, then why aren't we female autists also shooting up schools and churches around the world and in the USA? That's how stupid this scapegoating is, how logically inconsistent it is.

It seems that there is something very specific - and perhaps not just one thing - that American culture has yet to confront before these frequent and ghastly sacrifices end.



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04 Oct 2015, 2:06 am

^^white also, or wouldn't survive anyway (or been diagnosed itfp)



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04 Oct 2015, 6:49 am

I doubt somebody knew in advance this guy was going to shoot up a school and therefore in an effort to frame autistic people created a fictitious post claiming to be his mom in advance. If indeed this is the case I am not paranoid enough, am underestimating Autism Speaks and need to escape to some desolate area ASAP.


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