Why do autistic people hate functioning labels?

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28 Oct 2015, 9:28 am

My feeling is that it's not one spectrum, but several 'sliding scales' in various areas of functioning.

My own 'functioning levels':
- intellectual: high
- written communication: high
- verbal communication: medium
- using facial expressions: medium
- understanding facial expressions: low (I only understand 'smiling' vs. 'not smiling')
- social communication: low (can't carry on a personal conversation; prefer not to have friends)
- sensory processing issues: low (hypersensitive to a painful & exhausting degree)
- emotional sensitivity: low (hypersensitive, perpetually hurt and confused)



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28 Oct 2015, 9:39 am

High and low functioning are too broad of labels that's why.

Anybody who knows autism knows that autistics are very diverse. And some people who have low functioning traits may actually be quite intelligent. And those who are high-functioning may have a lot of problems.

Autism affects people in different ways you see. Some hardly talk, other talk too much, some have speech problems, anxiety, clumsy, executive functioning difficulties, problems controlling emotions, meltdowns, it's all diverse.


One person who may appear to be low-functioning because he looks and talks special may not be low-functioning at all. Looks can be deceiving. The guys who you think are smart and clearly capable may actually be the ones who don't do as good because of problems that arne't clearly visible. And the autistics who you think are not very capable because of their appearence and demeanor may actually turn out to be the most succesful.



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28 Oct 2015, 9:54 am

btbnnyr wrote:
I don't have much problem with functioning labels, their usage seems ok to me.


This.



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28 Oct 2015, 11:11 am

The reason that I don't like functioning levels is because the descriptions are very broad. I also don't like people cherry picking the traits of autistics to determine whether they think they're high or low functioning. There are many people here who love sharing their special interests much more than other members. I wouldn't presume that they're lower functioning just on that account. There are other people here who are nonverbal, yet they can type posts that are much more comprehensive than any of the posts I've ever posted here on WP. There are some nonverbal autistics who score on the genus end of IQ tests after being given communication devices. There are some aspies who need to wear Depends. There are autistics who are deemed low functioning who don't have any type of incontinence. Some of the students who are deemed to be low functioning turn out to be straight A students in high school, college and university. Some people who are deemed high functioning end up dropping out of high school, because they can't handle the pressure.


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02 Apr 2016, 8:27 am

Where the Vocabulary of Autism is Failing Terms like “low-functioning” are short on nuance and long on stigma.


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02 Apr 2016, 12:31 pm

It's because I'm not as intelligent as many of the members here, and it hurts.


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02 Apr 2016, 1:27 pm

I think they are generally inaccurate, as the article says. IQ is not the only thing which determines how well one is functioning. Usually those with higher IQs are going to be better off, because they are intelligent enough to find ways around their problems. And sometimes intelligence can make up for poor skills in other areas; engineers and computer geeks don't necessarily need good social skills to do their jobs.

But, a "low-functioning" autistic person who is designated as low-functioning based solely on IQ may actually be functioning much better in life and have less difficulties than a "high-functioning" person with a normal to high IQ.

Executive functioning problems, poor social skills, repetitive behaviors, restricted interests, resistance to change, sensory sensitivities or other sensory dysfunction, sleep disorders, and other symptoms related to autism will affect how that person functions regardless of IQ.

I have a high IQ, but poor executive functioning, a sleep disorder, sensory sensitivities which can be severe at times, obsessions, problems with hyperactivity, anxiety, am socially awkward, dislike change, etc.

So I'm not functioning all that well. I can take care of my basic needs. But I forget to do many things, or put things off due to anxiety, get distracted and forget what I'm doing, cannot usually focus on more than one thing at a time, can't sleep when I need to, get lost in obsessions, preoccupied with sensory sensitivities, etc.

So I'm not working. I can't work if I can't sleep. And I am trying to finish another degree, but I become overwhelmed with anxiety, get frustrated and distracted easily, forget to do assignments, put too much work into assignments, and can't concentrate on boring subjects. I have no trouble learning the material, but I often can't get assignments finished in time or at all. I can't ever take more than two classes at once without becoming totally overwhelmed and having anxiety attacks.

So I don't feel "high-functioning". Maybe compared to other people I am, but I'm not doing well in life. I'm sure many autistic people with lower IQs are functioning better than I am. My problems are not as obvious to the typical person, but they are still there.



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02 Apr 2016, 1:51 pm

I think how you feel about functioning labels depends on where you sit within them! And it's fluid, too.

I don't mind labels, but then I'd consider myself to be very high functioning. Like Joe (I think it was Joe...) earlier in this thread, I have a career, a marriage, a child that I'm doing a fantastic job of raising if I do say so myself, and I can manage self-care without issue. I don't have meltdowns, either. I get exceptionally anxious, I might get a bit more snappy, but if I get overwhelmed I go 'shut down' not 'meltdown'. You'll see me become emotionless, quiet and extremely tired very suddenly - I might just stop, stand still and disappear into myself - but I don't go 'obviously' into meltdown mode.

However, whilst I'm happy to label myself as high functioning, I'm currently in the process of analysing every part of my being and my life in great detail ready to request to go through the process to receive a diagnosis. And suddenly it's become clear to me that how 'high functioning' I am really depends on my environment.

If I had to go to the bank and speak to someone every time I wanted to deal with my money, if I had to go to a 'manned' checkout every time I did my grocery shopping, I would struggle a lot. I'd probably be very different to how I am now. As the world becomes more automated and technological, my life gets continuously easier. If I didn't have my husband around then I would definitely be much better at cleaning and tidying the house, but I'd struggle a lot with dealing with the estate agents/landlord/energy companies/maintenance people, all of which he does. Also, if he were not the main income earner with the dependable income, I would have to trade self-employment for working for someone else, which at this stage in my life I don't think I would deal with well at all.

I'm probably about as 'high functioning' as they come, but I think it could be very different with a few circumstance changes like being born a decade or two earlier, or not meeting my husband.



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02 Apr 2016, 3:03 pm

I'm just not a fan of social labels in general.


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03 Apr 2016, 1:20 pm

Not, only does it Serperate the 'High' Functioning between the 'Low' Functioning but it also creates a barrier and a delima that the 'Low' functioning people are getting more than they need while the 'High' functioning not enough. Once, my Therapist asked me Of,course without langauge barrier, if I think I'd be able to communicate with someone on the lower side, and I said "It wouldn't affect it much, for We all have difficulties in the same types of areas. No matter what Severity. We still have them." Therefore it is rather unnecessary. Ask a Autistic Video, on this subject. That might help. Also, About the iq thing their may be impairments that will make them score lower. Like Sensory Issues or Dysfunctions or Learning disabilities Like, Dyslexia, Dysgraphia, or Dyscalcia. I'd recommend watching this. Though, This should explain it, I'll use EzraS as a example he doesn't have any problems interacting with the "Higher" functioning Autistics, Savant Writing or not. Unless they can't use a keyboard or some other reason like that. They could interact very well. I have no more to say.
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03 Apr 2016, 1:23 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
It's because I'm not as intelligent as many of the members here, and it hurts.

Your, Intelligent in your Interests, I could rant for hours, about Pokemon.


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03 Apr 2016, 8:06 pm

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Thank you for the wonderful article link. It was really enlightening.



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04 Apr 2016, 9:58 am

Functioning labels, to me, may be useful sometimes. A few of my specific skills...

Positivitygood :)
Learninghigh
Social skills/body languagelow (not completely absent)
Dealing with changesby hour
Repetitive/restricted behaviorslow


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04 Apr 2016, 10:14 am

The problem with labels is that they do not apply except for very limited characteristics. As posted above are many examples of high and low functioning and how they are not always mutually exclusive on the 'success range' of life.

But, the biggest problem with labels is the information put out. When an organization that purports to be 'the biggest and leading advocates of Autism' use 'tragedy porn' and scare tactics to raise money, it gives only extreme versions of the 'labels' to the public.

This is all the public picks up.

It makes it impossible for people to understand that there are people like many here. Very capable people, very smart, even personable people who cannot get the basics of life and always have difficulties that cause major life crises. To the point of hospitalizations, drug abuse, deep depressions, suicide attempts and other things that are 'hidden' but just as debilitating and in some cases more so because these are the people with families and children.

The labels do us no good because they are ever changing. They are not represented to the public in a proper fashion and in a day and age when people are so used to using hyperbole to get attention, they can be even more harmful because that is the image and information put out. And, people see that, and only that.


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05 Apr 2016, 3:52 am

zkydz wrote:
The problem with labels is that they do not apply except for very limited characteristics. As posted above are many examples of high and low functioning and how they are not always mutually exclusive on the 'success range' of life.

But, the biggest problem with labels is the information put out. When an organization that purports to be 'the biggest and leading advocates of Autism' use 'tragedy porn' and scare tactics to raise money, it gives only extreme versions of the 'labels' to the public.

This is all the public picks up.

It makes it impossible for people to understand that there are people like many here. Very capable people, very smart, even personable people who cannot get the basics of life and always have difficulties that cause major life crises. To the point of hospitalizations, drug abuse, deep depressions, suicide attempts and other things that are 'hidden' but just as debilitating and in some cases more so because these are the people with families and children.

The labels do us no good because they are ever changing. They are not represented to the public in a proper fashion and in a day and age when people are so used to using hyperbole to get attention, they can be even more harmful because that is the image and information put out. And, people see that, and only that.


Yes, I agree with this. As you said, I think it can be especially harmful for those of us who are "high-functioning" via the assumption that it means that we are doing well and don't need support, when in fact many of us are not doing well and do need support.

I don't personally know any "low-functioning" autistic people, so I can't say how the labels may affect them.



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05 Apr 2016, 10:23 am

Personally, I think the problems with the labels are mainly misunderstandings. There are a lot of stereotypes & black-and-white thinking about functioning labels, which don't reflect how I think these labels should be used.

First, there's the idea that 'LFA have no strengths, HFA have no disability'. This is a stereotype. Even the most LFA individual has some areas of strength that should be recognized and acknowledged. And many LFA people have a lot of strengths. If you define LFA by adaptive functioning (which to me makes the most sense) then there are some people with high IQs who are LFA (such as Carly Fleischmann). And even if they also have cognitive disability, it's important to look for and acknowledge their strengths.

And as many of us here know intimately, HFA is still very much a disability. I'm HFA and can't live independently - my adaptive functioning is only mildly impaired, but that's enough to make it unsafe for me to live without some sort of support. I'd estimate I have a similar level of functioning in that area as someone with a mild cognitive disability. (Roughly half of all autistic people with normal IQs have impaired adaptive function to some degree.) Even those HFAs who can live independently by definition have trouble with social interactions. It's rare that any autistic person gets to a point where their autism isn't a disadvantage for them in NT society, and even then, this success can be fragile or situational.

Another misconception is that you're either HFA or LFA. There's also a third group, medium functioning autistic, who are in between the two functioning levels. For example, an autistic person with a mild cognitive disability, or an adult or teen with high IQ whose got good verbal skills but has self-care skills like a preschooler, or someone who can talk but with a significant speech delay (eg vocabulary of a five year old at age 10) - all of those people I'd consider medium functioning. Often it seems people in this range are trotted out to say functioning labels don't work, but being in between HFA and LFA doesn't make those labels useless.

And there's also the idea that HFA people will always be HFA and LFA will always be LFA. This isn't the case either. I'm not talking about a brief regression during overload - functioning level is your baseline, not how you function under stress. But there are people who as kids looked pretty much LFA, but then got a lot better functioning as they got older. Conversely, the people with the 'autistic catatonia' phenotype often go from HFA/MFA to LFA in their teens, and some autistics with epilepsy have the same thing happen as well. Just because someone changed from one category to the other during their lifetime doesn't mean the two categories have no meaning.

Probably the most damaging misuse of functioning labels I see is to say 'HFA is part of diversity, LFA is a horrible tragedy'. Your value as a person should not depend on being able to speak or dress yourself or scoring high on an IQ test. I really think that LFA people are just as much in need of acceptance as HFA people are. And you can certainly help a person with the things they need help with, without linking those things to their value as a human being - regardless of their functioning level. (Incidentally, if you want to see a good example of acceptance across functioning levels, look at the AAC community. They are far more accepting of people with severe disabilities than most other disability communities I've seen.)

With all that, I still think functioning labels are useful. Because really, my needs are very different from someone who can't speak and needs help dressing themselves. Services designed for one group won't be very useful to the other group, or if they are, they'll be used in different ways. For example, AAC of some kind is essential (though sadly not often provided) for the majority, if not all, LFA people. For this group, AAC, if successful, will generally be their primary means of communication. In contrast, HFAs either don't need AAC or only when overloaded (or post-ictal, or someone other situation where speech is temporarily problematic). The design and requirements of an AAC device will be different depending on the use it's intended for. HFA AAC users are far more likely to be literate and to have enough computer skills to configure their own device, which changes a lot of things. They don't need the device on and powered up all of the time, so they'll run down the batteries less for a high tech device - battery life is a big deal for an LFA person who uses high tech AAC. Plus, because they only use AAC in certain limited situations, they can get away with a more limited vocabulary or even just pre-programmed phrases, which are terrible for someone who uses AAC as their primary communication. And then of course there's so many HFAs who would get no real benefit from AAC at all, because in every situation speech is easier and more effective for them.

Conversely, social skills training classes are mostly just for HFAs. They assume that the person is actually capable of doing the socially appropriate response, which is usually not the case for LFA people. They generally teach through verbal instruction, which wouldn't work well for those LFAs/MFAs who have significant receptive language issues. And often they teach how to handle situations that most LFA people are unlikely to get the chance to even try, such as a job interview in a place that isn't a sheltered workshop with a job designed specifically for them. (I'm not saying an LFA person could never have a regular job - a very skilled AAC user might get the chance - but it's very rare, and for the majority of LFAs paid work is impossible or only possible if the job is specifically designed for them.)

I could go on. There are some services that help across functioning levels, of course - sensory integration therapies, for example - but most are functioning-specific. Decisions about the person's future are also affected by functioning level.