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Edenthiel
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20 Nov 2015, 7:00 pm

The validity of, "No one should get a free pass" assumes an even playing field.

An even playing field is a false premise. Some are far more privileged than others, be it by "virtue" of race, sex/gender, religion, wealth, education, *neural typicality* ...none of which the person necessarily chose or even worked toward themselves.

I've noticed it's typically those with some form of privilege or intersection of several forms who nonetheless feel insecure (due to a perceived lack of some other privilege) and so fight hardest to maintain the status quo. That, to me anyway, is at the crux of modern "right wing" viewpoints and attitudes. Or maybe just basic selfishness, I can't decide (keep in mind that due to my past I feel tremendous guilt and shame when I try to be selfish/self-centered IRL, so I may have a perspective that is atypical or biased).


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20 Nov 2015, 7:03 pm

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Although I wouldn't have been able to express it, even as a kid I thought that all interactions among adults should be voluntary. That people in groups don't acquire rights they lacked as individuals. That no individual or group ought to be sacrificed in the name of some alleged "greater good."

So … no.

Basically you don't understand left wing politics.



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20 Nov 2015, 7:29 pm

I think free thought is part AS. Whether free thought leads to left wing or right wing thinking depends on the individual. I fall outside left and right wing. I reject most of Western thought. My political views come mostly from Taoism, which is a Chinese philosophy.



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20 Nov 2015, 8:16 pm

I do not believe in "Black Priviledge", "Female Priviledge", "Male Priviledge", "White Priviledge" or any other "Priviledge" that is based on a person's culture, disability, ethnicity, gender orientation, religion, sex, or skin color.

I believe that people should take responsibility for their own lives, and stop blaming their own stupid mistakes on their parents, their teachers, their bosses, the police, the legal system, and society in general.

I believe that people should be held accountable for their own words and actions, and not use their culture, disability, ethnicity, gender orientation, religion, sex, or skin color as an excuse for causing trouble or terrorizing others.

Nope! Still not a liberal!

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20 Nov 2015, 8:35 pm

Fnord wrote:
I do not believe in "Black Priviledge", "Female Priviledge", "Male Priviledge", "White Priviledge" or any other "Priviledge" that is based on a person's culture, disability, ethnicity, gender orientation, religion, sex, or skin color.

I believe that people should take responsibility for their own lives, and stop blaming their own stupid mistakes on their parents, their teachers, their bosses, the police, the legal system, and society in general.

I believe that people should be held accountable for their own words and actions, and not use their culture, disability, ethnicity, gender orientation, religion, sex, or skin color as an excuse for causing trouble or terrorizing others.

Nope! Still not a liberal!

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Just like anything else, they do not depend upon your belief to exist. They are something granted by people to other people based on the various group-identifying attributes perceived. For instance, in some parts of the country if a bunch of people are standing at a deli counter waiting to order and everyone - including the order taker - is of the same race except one person, it's likely that one person could be skipped over a few times. That is race privilege being granted to all the other people who wish to order.


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20 Nov 2015, 8:43 pm

Fnord wrote:
I do not believe in "Black Priviledge", "Female Priviledge", "Male Priviledge", "White Priviledge" or any other "Priviledge" that is based on a person's culture, disability, ethnicity, gender orientation, religion, sex, or skin color.

I believe that people should take responsibility for their own lives, and stop blaming their own stupid mistakes on their parents, their teachers, their bosses, the police, the legal system, and society in general.

I believe that people should be held accountable for their own words and actions, and not use their culture, disability, ethnicity, gender orientation, religion, sex, or skin color as an excuse for causing trouble or terrorizing others.

Nope! Still not a liberal!

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Just because you ignore the research into implicit associations like the below doesn't mean they don't exist:

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/education.html


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20 Nov 2015, 11:00 pm

Tollorin wrote:
Basically you don't understand left wing politics.


Thank you. That's the nicest compliment I've ever received here. 8)

After a degree in history, travel, life experience, personal acquaintance with survivors of Stalin, Mao, and Kim, etc etc, I certainly understand the practice. And I can't listen to a politician speaking without being exposed to the theory. What I've never understood is the emotional appeal. Guess I've never had the urge to boss people around.


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20 Nov 2015, 11:03 pm

Edenthiel wrote:

Just like anything else, they do not depend upon your belief to exist. They are something granted by people to other people based on the various group-identifying attributes perceived. For instance, in some parts of the country if a bunch of people are standing at a deli counter waiting to order and everyone - including the order taker - is of the same race except one person, it's likely that one person could be skipped over a few times. That is race privilege being granted to all the other people who wish to order.

That is about one person bieng treated unfairly by a bigot and everybody else bieng treated as they should be treated. Another way of saying it is more about one person have something taken away.


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20 Nov 2015, 11:20 pm

Right wing people would prefer people who have a disability or health issue and little money suffer immensely or kill themselves. I don't see why anyone on the spectrum would be right wing. I don't see how anyone with compassion could be right wing.



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20 Nov 2015, 11:41 pm

luan78zao wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
Basically you don't understand left wing politics.


Thank you. That's the nicest compliment I've ever received here. 8)

After a degree in history, travel, life experience, personal acquaintance with survivors of Stalin, Mao, and Kim, etc etc, I certainly understand the practice. And I can't listen to a politician speaking without being exposed to the theory. What I've never understood is the emotional appeal. Guess I've never had the urge to boss people around.

Because you're a robotic sociopath. :roll:



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20 Nov 2015, 11:42 pm

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Right wing people would prefer people who have a disability or health issue and little money suffer immensely or kill themselves. I don't see why anyone on the spectrum would be right wing. I don't see how anyone with compassion could be right wing.


Could it be there's a connection between people who don't value compassion and people who have conservative values? hrmmmmmmmmmmmm...



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20 Nov 2015, 11:46 pm

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Right wing people would prefer people who have a disability or health issue and little money suffer immensely or kill themselves. I don't see why anyone on the spectrum would be right wing. I don't see how anyone with compassion could be right wing.


Could it be there's a connection between people who don't value compassion and people who have conservative values? hrmmmmmmmmmmmm...


I don't quite understand. They claim to be compassionate but put their fingers in their ears and shout LALALALALA when you point out how much suffering their world view causes. They've never been the victim of the private healthcare vulture capitalists that literally kill people. They're just counting on being lucky. I pray they get cancer.



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20 Nov 2015, 11:52 pm

Americas Darwinist conservatism is as morally bankrupt as ISIS.



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21 Nov 2015, 12:26 am

marshall wrote:
Right wing people would prefer people who have a disability or health issue and little money suffer immensely or kill themselves. I don't see why anyone on the spectrum would be right wing. I don't see how anyone with compassion could be right wing.


You beat me to it...

I've always been socially left wing but in terms of economics I'm probably realistically centrist....



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21 Nov 2015, 12:30 am

marshall wrote:
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marshall wrote:
Right wing people would prefer people who have a disability or health issue and little money suffer immensely or kill themselves. I don't see why anyone on the spectrum would be right wing. I don't see how anyone with compassion could be right wing.


Could it be there's a connection between people who don't value compassion and people who have conservative values? hrmmmmmmmmmmmm...


I don't quite understand. They claim to be compassionate but put their fingers in their ears and shout LALALALALA when you point out how much suffering their world view causes. They've never been the victim of the private healthcare vulture capitalists that literally kill people. They're just counting on being lucky. I pray they get cancer.


I don't understand it either. I think a lot of it is based on a misunderstanding of evolutionary biology--simple-minded people think selfishness is wise on an animalistic level because they don't understand the difference between a lone predator in the wild fending for themselves and a social species that lives in groups and therefore requires it's members to have consideration for one another as part of the functioning of that group. They think it is smart for people to live (philosophically, at least) like jungle cats or something, rather than the social species that we are that rely on each other for survival. It's a kind of ignorance.



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21 Nov 2015, 12:34 am

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Edenthiel wrote:

Just like anything else, they do not depend upon your belief to exist. They are something granted by people to other people based on the various group-identifying attributes perceived. For instance, in some parts of the country if a bunch of people are standing at a deli counter waiting to order and everyone - including the order taker - is of the same race except one person, it's likely that one person could be skipped over a few times. That is race privilege being granted to all the other people who wish to order.

That is about one person bieng treated unfairly by a bigot and everybody else bieng treated as they should be treated. Another way of saying it is more about one person have something taken away.

I'm talking about when none of the other people waiting say, "you were here first"; that sort of thing. Instead it is understood by all of them that the person's very presence is at best being tolerated.


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