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20 Jul 2004, 3:48 pm

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I don't have as big of a problem with looking at actor's eyes, but I don't know if this can be called "eye contact," since they aren't meeting your gaze. For me, it's that type of attention that sets off the alarm bells, so to speak. Like todayiamhuman said, I also look away instinctively when someone tries to make eye contact with me.

Thanks for the response, Civet. What you describe is exactly my problem.

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The strangest thing is that I noticed this only a year or so ago ("why do I look at the wall when talking or listening to people?"). Nobody ever pointed this problem to me. I must be living among the most considerate people on Earth! They never complain about anything, they just stop talking to me and spread word how rude I am. Getting any info from anybody requires a monumental effort and resembles pulling teeth! I guess that they don't want to hurt my feelings! 8O
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21 Jul 2004, 5:34 am

Magic,
I didn't realize I was doing it, either. I was actually told by a friend in jr. high school, because she became annoyed with me whenever we spoke and I didn't look at her. She thought that it meant I wasn't listening. I explained to her that it was easier for me to listen if I didn't look at her, so we compromised. I looked at her from time to time to let her know I was paying attention, or I would tell her that I was listening, and she was less sensitive about it when I looked ahead of me or at the wall when she was speaking.

It's too bad no one pointed it out to you, because if you're like me, you probably need things to be directly explained to you. It took around 13 years of my life before anyone said anything to me about it, but since then I'm very glad it was pointed out to me, because I'm more concious of it now, and am therefore able to correct it or compensate.

I understand that they probably didn't want to hurt your feelings, but if you want them to tell you things, you should just tell them that. That's how I get by more easily. I just tell my family that they need to be specific when explaining things to me, and I tell my friends that even if I sound or look uninterested, that doesn't mean that I am. Also, I ask people to tell me if I'm doing something wrong, and exactly what it is. Usually, I'm able to pick up on the fact that someone is upset, but I can't tell why- it may be because of me, because they didn't get enough sleep, because they are stressed about school, or whatever, but unless I have all the facts and can come to a logical conclusion, I need them to tell me directly. Also- if you ask them to do this for you you have to remember not to get too defensive about it or take it personally, or they will become annoyed and not want to speak to you about it anymore.



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21 Jul 2004, 4:42 pm

Thanks, Civet.

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I understand that they probably didn't want to hurt your feelings, but if you want them to tell you things, you should just tell them that. That's how I get by more easily. I just tell my family that they need to be specific when explaining things to me, and I tell my friends that even if I sound or look uninterested, that doesn't mean that I am. Also, I ask people to tell me if I'm doing something wrong, and exactly what it is.

That's the question for today. A friend invited me to spend a week with him sailing. He is a very nice person who so far was able to put up with me. But I am really scared that I won't be able to adequately control myself 24/7 and that I will lose him, like I have lost so many before. I wonder if I should tell him something. Add to this another problem that, since we will be near water, we might want to swim and I would have to get along without my eyeglasses. In the past I had people offended because I was not able to recognize them. Ah, joys of life!



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21 Jul 2004, 7:16 pm

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why do I look at the wall when talking or listening to people


I would always look down at when ever I would converse with someone, or be in the company of others. I didn't realize this until someone on the bus home whom I've known since kindergarden told me of this.

)- Hey Scott, I saw you going to health class today
(- Where did you see me?
)- I saw you walking across the parking lot to the gym, I couldn't tell if it was you since there were others, but I figured it was since you always have your head down when your around others.
(- Really?



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24 Jul 2004, 9:57 pm

I've been thinking a lot about intuition, myself. I have the same problem with assuming other people would think and feel the same way I would in their situation. I really have a hard time conceptualizing a reaction/opinion/desire that would differ from my own in their position unless people can describe their differences from me in an analytical, precise format. I am bad at making decisions because I usually can see at least two sides to any given situation and my logic just keeps looping in circles. Unfortunately, that means in a lot of decision-making I end up relying on my (very poor) sense of intuition. Creatively I am very intuitive and I can usually "sense" if I can speak with someone comfortably sometimes before interacting with him/her, but that doesn't always mean he/she is a good person to be spending time with (I might be able to speak to that person and feel comfortable, but they might not have good intentions -- not just limited to his/her interaction with me, but regarding anything). I would love to develop a better sense of intuition; it could help me on so many levels.



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24 Jul 2004, 10:26 pm

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I've been thinking a lot about intuition, myself. I have the same problem with assuming other people would think and feel the same way I would in their situation.

My problem is that I would not even consider that they could be in a different situation than me! They just are supposed to think exactly like me at all times. In practice this means that I expect them to necessarily agree with my judgment. My intuition is as it is, I can only work around it. Fortunately, I am able to follow learned rules "automatically" (i.e. subconsciously), as if they were an intuitive knowledge. I tried to develop a conscious ability which would allow me to "get into other people's shoes" and deduce their reactions, but this effort failed, because most people think very differently from me, and I did not yet fully analyzed their ways. For example, people often get offended at me, and not only I do not know why, but I can't even understand the concept of holding anger (it seems illogical to me).

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I am bad at making decisions because I usually can see at least two sides to any given situation and my logic just keeps looping in circles. Unfortunately, that means in a lot of decision-making I end up relying on my (very poor) sense of intuition.

I have a similar problem. When interaction goes at fast speed, I lose conscious control over it and just start "plowing through". I can only analyze it after it is finished.



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24 Jul 2004, 11:02 pm

magic wrote:
I have a similar problem. When interaction goes at fast speed, I lose conscious control over it and just start "plowing through". I can only analyze it after it is finished.


I'm the same way. When I'm actually having a conversation, unless I know the person really well and I'm comfortable, I have no idea what's going on. I struggle through it and analyze it later. It feels like my brain just shuts down during most verbal communication.



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15 Jun 2012, 11:32 pm

I do for some aspects of life and not for others.



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15 Jun 2012, 11:47 pm

magic wrote:
May I ask a question: Do you also have this problem while watching movies? I never have a problem of mantaining an eye "contact" with an actor on TV, but with a real person - that's a completely different story. I don't understand the reason.



Just an opinion. Because when you watch a movie you are performing only 1 task, taking in information. When you talk to a person you are doing 2 tasks, taking in information and formulating a response. You look away from a persons eyes to lessen the amount of data that's coming in because too much data is interfering with ability to simultaneously create a response. Basically, at least some of us, suck at multitasking.



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16 Jun 2012, 12:22 am

When in the moment, I think I have great intuition... Until I start doubting myself, and wondering if my intuition is completely opposite to how it should be.
The moment I start to doubt myself, then it becomes impossible to know what is wrong or right.



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16 Jun 2012, 5:13 am

i have great intution.
i used to read tarot cards professionally for a while and was doing average business
i have just lacking in conversation and putting my ideas across
unfortunately i started trusting my intution quite late in life
but now onwards i will seriously trust it and follow it.


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17 Jun 2012, 1:28 am

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Taking into consideration that our brains function differently than the neurotypical world, and we experience everything differently how are we to know how they perceive everything? That's where I have been having the most trouble in researching autism. It's like a veterinarian telling me what a monkey is feeling. That veterinarian has no idea in hell what that monkey is really feeling, but I'm taking their word for it. Theory of mind has always sounded like a fancy word for an assumption. For instance we have to take into account alot of different things when we are learning to perform a task(ie, hypersensitivity, possible nervousness from being around everyone, our attention to detail, etc.)they don't know that. In their ignorance they dub us to be weak of mind. Not their fault, but it is frustrating for us. Besides assumptions just make an ass out of u and mption. Also to comment on the quantum physics intuition, I have been working on computers since high school. I've never taken a computer class in my life. The first day I had an opportunity to even touch a computer I ended up fixing the modem and installing a scanner. I guess I just had good "theory of operating system".



You make one hell of a good point, good sir. And theory of operating system made me laugh my ass off.