Is it Possible for a NT to Exhibit AS Traits?

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06 Dec 2015, 2:14 pm

Hyperborean wrote:
There is a lot of overlap of traits/symptoms between different conditions, which present in an almost identical way. It's often virtually impossible, even for a clinician, to say what condition causes them without doing a full diagnosis. Some of the 'classic' autistic traits are also seen in people with ADHD, bi-polar disorder, BPD and various others. So we mustn't jump to conclusions.



Which is the reason why I hate it when doctors diagnose someone in five minutes or in one session. There are so many over laps even PTSD mimics autistic symptoms and so does an abused child or a child that is deaf or formally deaf.

But sometimes a patient is so hard to diagnose because of the co morbids and their bad history like with being abused as a abuse or if they were formally deaf when they were a baby.


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06 Dec 2015, 2:20 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
My psychologist put it like this, there are three main SYMPTOMS that NEED to be present for a diagnoses:

1. Social, emotional and Communication Issues
2. Sensory Sensitivities
3. Repetitive, Ritualistic or Obsessive Behaviour.

all these Symptoms are CRUCIAl, however traits can vary, a social communication difficulty can present many different traits, like inability to speak, trouble with back and forth conversation, difficulty expressing emotions, difficulty expressing needs.


Sensory Sensitivities is the one that's severely lacking for me, but the other two (esp. #1) are mostly true.

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So as an example, lets say we have two people.

Person A: Prefers not to socialize, feels anxious around people, Little to no eye contact, inability to accuratley read body language, resistance to being held or touched, often feels they do not know what to say or how to act around others, finds social interaction overwhelming, and finds relaxation in the comfort of their own home and takes part in hobbies such as movies, reading, music or research.

Person B: has a desire to be with people but often fails in maintaining a conversation, claims to have no issues with social interactions, body language seems awkward, fails to make eye contact, cannot handle long periods of social events, does not pick up on nonverbal and verbal social cues, overly friendly and trusting, often unintentionally rude or offensive.

you see, although it may SEEM like person A has autism, they actually dont, these are actually characteristics of Social Anxiety (Phobia). Anxiety can sometimes interfere with a persons ability to socialize affectively and a lot of these traits are due to a fear of embarrassment or being judged. Often times social anxiety can have a lot of other symptoms that can seem like its caused by other factors unrelated to the anxiety.

person B is actually common traits in a person with autism, many people with autism have NO idea they have issues using and understanding social rules. therefore it just seems like other people are doing something wrong and not their behaviour.


I'm definitely more of a type-A person, so it's possible that I may either be non-autistic or a residual autist who's experiencing social anxiety as a result of not learning proper social skills early on. I definitely seemed to be more type-B when I was a kid, but I've changed drastically since then. :?


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06 Dec 2015, 3:28 pm

deafghost52 wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
My psychologist put it like this, there are three main SYMPTOMS that NEED to be present for a diagnoses:

1. Social, emotional and Communication Issues
2. Sensory Sensitivities
3. Repetitive, Ritualistic or Obsessive Behaviour.

all these Symptoms are CRUCIAl, however traits can vary, a social communication difficulty can present many different traits, like inability to speak, trouble with back and forth conversation, difficulty expressing emotions, difficulty expressing needs.


Sensory Sensitivities is the one that's severely lacking for me, but the other two (esp. #1) are mostly true.

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
So as an example, lets say we have two people.

Person A: Prefers not to socialize, feels anxious around people, Little to no eye contact, inability to accuratley read body language, resistance to being held or touched, often feels they do not know what to say or how to act around others, finds social interaction overwhelming, and finds relaxation in the comfort of their own home and takes part in hobbies such as movies, reading, music or research.

Person B: has a desire to be with people but often fails in maintaining a conversation, claims to have no issues with social interactions, body language seems awkward, fails to make eye contact, cannot handle long periods of social events, does not pick up on nonverbal and verbal social cues, overly friendly and trusting, often unintentionally rude or offensive.

you see, although it may SEEM like person A has autism, they actually dont, these are actually characteristics of Social Anxiety (Phobia). Anxiety can sometimes interfere with a persons ability to socialize affectively and a lot of these traits are due to a fear of embarrassment or being judged. Often times social anxiety can have a lot of other symptoms that can seem like its caused by other factors unrelated to the anxiety.

person B is actually common traits in a person with autism, many people with autism have NO idea they have issues using and understanding social rules. therefore it just seems like other people are doing something wrong and not their behaviour.


I'm definitely more of a type-A person, so it's possible that I may either be non-autistic or a residual autist who's experiencing social anxiety as a result of not learning proper social skills early on. I definitely seemed to be more type-B when I was a kid, but I've changed drastically since then. :?


Social Anxiety can develop later on in a autistic persons life after repeated entcounters of bullying rejection ect so its possible that you still can be autistic, this is my point. A
lso it can be very very difficult for a person to know if someone has a sensory sensitivity, if you have difficulty falling asleep or find yourself 'shutting down' after long periods of being in loud and bright environments you may have a sensory sensitivity and not even know it.

i think its important that you get thoroughly evaluated by a professional who is trained to spot traits and symptoms in a adult.


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07 Dec 2015, 6:34 pm

Well, there's the Broader Autistic Phenotype. About 5% of people are BAP. These are people who have autistic traits, but not enough to meet the criteria. Usually it doesn't cause problems functioning, though some definitions of BAP include people diagnosed with milder disabilities that overlap with autism (eg specific language impairment, social communication disorder, OCD, etc).



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20 Dec 2015, 10:00 am

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
it can be very very difficult for a person to know if someone has a sensory sensitivity, if you have difficulty falling asleep or find yourself 'shutting down' after long periods of being in loud and bright environments you may have a sensory sensitivity and not even know it.

i think its important that you get thoroughly evaluated by a professional who is trained to spot traits and symptoms in a adult.

I know I should ask a professional about this, as you suggested, but I'd like your opinion first, Zombie: do you think it's possible that being easily distracted by sounds (esp. musical) is part of sensory sensitivity? Because at my new job that I started a couple of Mondays ago, I have been finding myself distracted rather easily by auditory stimuli, especially the music that my boss plays on his iPad. I have perfect pitch and an intuitive sense of music theory, and so whenever something plays, I analyze the hell out of it - every little detail, from the key to what kinds of progressions are being used, and occasionally even the time signatures being used. I find myself distracted by this sometimes when I'm trying to work, but my boss thinks I'm still doing a much better job than his last two warehousers, so I guess it's not a huge deal if I'm "blowing him and his assistant manager away," as he said.

What do you think, though? Does that count as sensory sensitivity?

(P.S., loud noises don't bother me that much, just abrasive ones like nails on a chalkboard, but who isn't bothered by that?)


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