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28 Dec 2015, 6:23 pm

What do you think about when you think about "nothing?"



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28 Dec 2015, 7:01 pm

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I don't think this is the same as being transgender. Transgender people were born with the body parts of one gender, but feel on the inside they are another gender. Whereas you don't necessarily feel you are NT, you just want to be NT. What you describe is the same as a woman wishing she were a man because of the extra privileges men get in society. It doesn't make her transgender.



I wonder what would happen if someone wanted to transition because of those things like let's say a man wanted to be a woman because he felt women had it easier and also because they get to wear women clothing and not be judged for it and they can get away with wearing cute clothes and having cute things and get away with having childish interests and acting childish?


Considering the amount of therapy actual transgender people who want to transition need to do to get approval from medical professionals to go through with transition, I'm guessing that such people would be weeded out of the process in that stage.



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28 Dec 2015, 7:11 pm

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I don't think this is the same as being transgender. Transgender people were born with the body parts of one gender, but feel on the inside they are another gender. Whereas you don't necessarily feel you are NT, you just want to be NT. What you describe is the same as a woman wishing she were a man because of the extra privileges men get in society. It doesn't make her transgender.



I wonder what would happen if someone wanted to transition because of those things like let's say a man wanted to be a woman because he felt women had it easier and also because they get to wear women clothing and not be judged for it and they can get away with wearing cute clothes and having cute things and get away with having childish interests and acting childish?


Considering the amount of therapy actual transgender people who want to transition need to do to get approval from medical professionals to go through with transition, I'm guessing that such people would be weeded out of the process in that stage.



Probably, but I can't imagine what those men must go through if that desire never goes away and they really do want to be a woman so they are distressed because of it and depressed because they can't transition. I am sure there are men out there like that so they live as a woman and claim to be female.


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28 Dec 2015, 7:27 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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I don't think this is the same as being transgender. Transgender people were born with the body parts of one gender, but feel on the inside they are another gender. Whereas you don't necessarily feel you are NT, you just want to be NT. What you describe is the same as a woman wishing she were a man because of the extra privileges men get in society. It doesn't make her transgender.



I wonder what would happen if someone wanted to transition because of those things like let's say a man wanted to be a woman because he felt women had it easier and also because they get to wear women clothing and not be judged for it and they can get away with wearing cute clothes and having cute things and get away with having childish interests and acting childish?


Considering the amount of therapy actual transgender people who want to transition need to do to get approval from medical professionals to go through with transition, I'm guessing that such people would be weeded out of the process in that stage.



Probably, but I can't imagine what those men must go through if that desire never goes away and they really do want to be a woman so they are distressed because of it and depressed because they can't transition. I am sure there are men out there like that so they live as a woman and claim to be female.


I'm not sure if that is true. I've certainly never encountered a person who claimed to be trans based on those desires rather than just body dysmorphia and the desire to have their body match how they feel on the inside. If they do exist, I would imagine they would need therapy to address why they think women have it so much easier and why they can't simply do the things they want to do while being a man if they identify as male. You don't need to have a vagina to wear a dress. As to acting childish, I don't think that's gender based. Women in general are no more childish than men are in general.



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28 Dec 2015, 9:19 pm

Try to read "Flower's for Algernon" or the movie "Charlie". Kinda makes me leary of any medfical treatment that hits the brain unless it's a life saving measure.


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28 Dec 2015, 10:48 pm

This doesn't make sense. The idea of transgender has two dimensions, but the idea of trans-neurological only has one dimension.



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28 Dec 2015, 11:42 pm

Pretty much the complete opposite. Then again, I value truth way more than my own life and comfort and I'd rather die than having some typical NT traits since it sometimes goes at the opposite end compared to this (yes some NTs are fine when it comes to this, we're talking about a broad scale here).
Sure there are some problems but I'd rather deal with it, it's not like it would be better if I was NT ayway, I would just be able to tell a big "f**k you" to it and reality itself instead of caring about it, which goes against pretty much everything I value. If your own comfort is supposed to be what life is all about, not interested. I'd rather have an hard time if it allows me to understand things better afterward because of the hardships. The sensory overloads are the only problem for me, but once again, if I just plan a little ahead, which is certainly the only thing I'm good at as a systemic thinker, I can manage.



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29 Dec 2015, 12:37 am

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Pretty much the complete opposite. Then again, I value truth way more than my own life and comfort and I'd rather die than having some typical NT traits since it sometimes goes at the opposite end compared to this (yes some NTs are fine when it comes to this, we're talking about a broad scale here).
Sure there are some problems but I'd rather deal with it, it's not like it would be better if I was NT ayway, I would just be able to tell a big "f**k you" to it and reality itself instead of caring about it, which goes against pretty much everything I value. If your own comfort is supposed to be what life is all about, not interested. I'd rather have an hard time if it allows me to understand things better afterward because of the hardships. The sensory overloads are the only problem for me, but once again, if I just plan a little ahead, which is certainly the only thing I'm good at as a systemic thinker, I can manage.


That sounds... really kind of arrogant and prejudiced. What makes you think you know "the truth" or that others do not?


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29 Dec 2015, 1:11 am

wilburforce wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
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I don't think this is the same as being transgender. Transgender people were born with the body parts of one gender, but feel on the inside they are another gender. Whereas you don't necessarily feel you are NT, you just want to be NT. What you describe is the same as a woman wishing she were a man because of the extra privileges men get in society. It doesn't make her transgender.



I wonder what would happen if someone wanted to transition because of those things like let's say a man wanted to be a woman because he felt women had it easier and also because they get to wear women clothing and not be judged for it and they can get away with wearing cute clothes and having cute things and get away with having childish interests and acting childish?


Considering the amount of therapy actual transgender people who want to transition need to do to get approval from medical professionals to go through with transition, I'm guessing that such people would be weeded out of the process in that stage.



Probably, but I can't imagine what those men must go through if that desire never goes away and they really do want to be a woman so they are distressed because of it and depressed because they can't transition. I am sure there are men out there like that so they live as a woman and claim to be female.


I'm not sure if that is true. I've certainly never encountered a person who claimed to be trans based on those desires rather than just body dysmorphia and the desire to have their body match how they feel on the inside. If they do exist, I would imagine they would need therapy to address why they think women have it so much easier and why they can't simply do the things they want to do while being a man if they identify as male. You don't need to have a vagina to wear a dress. As to acting childish, I don't think that's gender based. Women in general are no more childish than men are in general.



What I meant by women being childish is how it's more acceptance for women to be childish than men and men are more accepting about it in women than women are about it in men. I keep hearing how women can get away with being all cute and having cute things and liking childish things and for men, they are shunned more and judged more about it. There is all this gender stereotype stuff so there are things that are more accepted in women than it is in men like with crying for example or how they can hang out near a playground and not be seen as suspicious, or how it's more cute for women to like childish things than it is for men. I have heard this a lot online and seen men saying how it's more acceptable for women to like stuffed animals and stuff or liking plushies and anything that is considered childish. That makes me think how hard it must be to be a man and how they have to hide it more and there is me and I don't even think about hiding.


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29 Dec 2015, 1:57 am

Silly concept.



A diabetic who wants to not be diabetic is not called "trans [anything]". Being autistic is analogous to being diabetic, not to the gender you belong to.



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29 Dec 2015, 2:02 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Silly concept.



A diabetic who wants to not be diabetic is not called "trans [anything]". Being autistic is analogous to being diabetic, not to the gender you belong to.



People seem to be adopting the word trans because I have heard of transabled and transage and now there is trans neurological. What's next? Transcontinent to mean someone who transitioned from being continent to being incontinent because that was their desire?


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29 Dec 2015, 2:17 am

League_Girl wrote:
What I meant by women being childish is how it's more acceptance for women to be childish than men and men are more accepting about it in women than women are about it in men. I keep hearing how women can get away with being all cute and having cute things and liking childish things and for men, they are shunned more and judged more about it. There is all this gender stereotype stuff so there are things that are more accepted in women than it is in men like with crying for example or how they can hang out near a playground and not be seen as suspicious, or how it's more cute for women to like childish things than it is for men. I have heard this a lot online and seen men saying how it's more acceptable for women to like stuffed animals and stuff or liking plushies and anything that is considered childish. That makes me think how hard it must be to be a man and how they have to hide it more and there is me and I don't even think about hiding.


Yup, outdated gender roles hurt everyone, men and women and everyone in between or outside of that binary. They are stupid and pointless and need to go.



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29 Dec 2015, 2:45 am

i'm drowning in a sea of labels.


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29 Dec 2015, 4:45 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
What do you think about when you think about "nothing?"


That's not easy for me to answer without completely contradicting myself. :?

Perhaps "nothing" is the wrong term to accurately describe these mind absences of mine. There are, however, junctures in my day where I drift off into my own deranged bubble.

I would surmise that it's similar to the appearance of Jack Nickolson's character after his lobotomization in the cinematic classic One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.


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29 Dec 2015, 5:46 am

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Pretty much the complete opposite. Then again, I value truth way more than my own life and comfort and I'd rather die than having some typical NT traits since it sometimes goes at the opposite end compared to this (yes some NTs are fine when it comes to this, we're talking about a broad scale here).
Sure there are some problems but I'd rather deal with it, it's not like it would be better if I was NT ayway, I would just be able to tell a big "f**k you" to it and reality itself instead of caring about it, which goes against pretty much everything I value. If your own comfort is supposed to be what life is all about, not interested. I'd rather have an hard time if it allows me to understand things better afterward because of the hardships. The sensory overloads are the only problem for me, but once again, if I just plan a little ahead, which is certainly the only thing I'm good at as a systemic thinker, I can manage.

I can pretty much agree on this one.



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29 Dec 2015, 10:27 am

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Some people are transgender, they are born with one gender and wish to convert to the other.

Well, I'm trans-neurological. That means I was born with one configuration(aspie) and wish to convert to the other(NT).

I doubt any NT in their right mind would want to be autistic tho.

It's a pity there are operations for sex change, but not for neuro-change. Hopefully one day technology will address this.


Right now I'm reading a book called Brain Maker[, written by David Perlmutter, MD. He is also the author of [i]Grain Brain He has researched Autism and other neurological disorders and their relation to gut health and diet. Anyway, in one of the chapters of Brain Maker he explains the Fecal Microbial Transplant (FMT), which is basically transplanting good bacteria into the gut of an individual with autism. He performed this on a 12 year old boy in Germany and the results were astounding. Apparently this type of transplant isn't available in the United States yet, however he believes this will change soon. He also has helped his patients through diet and probiotic supplements.

I'm just curious to see what other individuals on the spectrum think of this and/or if changing to gluten free, etc has helped anyone. I'm self diagnosed autie but as an adult I think if FMT were an option I would not want to change over to NT. I'm comfortable with my autism roots and thinking of change brings me high anxiety.