Is it weird that I find transexuals interesting?

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31 Dec 2015, 11:30 am

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Seconding what C2V says about asking questions without phrasing them as a direct interrogation of the person you're asking.
Yeah....that's actually what I am finding out is my problem in general in regards to all social interactions. I seem to come across as an interrogator when in fact I am very interested in both the physical aspects being dealt with as well as the emotional issues. To me one informs the other and is incomplete without the full package. I do find the irony though in asking an Aspie to be considerate of another. Many can, but a lot can't, or, seem to not be able to. I get that a lot. I am genuinely concerned about some things and when I take them up with people, I get told I'm too forceful or what ever term they are using at the moment.

I get that people would be put off by this. That's why I don't ask. But, the shoe can be put on the other foot in all instances when applied to the population at large.

The expectation of the population to "understand" can be daunting when so much is actually kept hidden (for good reason though) and most people can't get information unless it is through their prisms. And, unfortunately I am one of those. Ain't a mean bone in my body, but I can be an ass I am told.


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31 Dec 2015, 11:46 am

I hope I didn't come across as rude or as personally attacking you, zkydz - I recognise, given the nature of this board, that social nuance can be difficult to navigate. I'm merely explaining things from the other side, so to speak - I may get questions from someone who has never met a trans person before and has an honest curiosity about things, and I don't begrudge them for that, but to me, that person is one of dozens, or even hundreds, who have and will ask me the same questions, and it gets tiring. Personally, I try to always be polite in response though! And I consciously remind myself that the people asking just don't understand the etiquette of the situation, because NT people are just as unaware of etiquette when it comes to invasive questions as autistic people.

Sometimes I don't mind answering questions, but sometimes I don't want to, for whatever reason. So I will simply say I don't want to talk about it, or I will try to direct the person to other resources. I think it's what happens then that can be crucial - either someone will accept that I don't want to talk about it, or they will keep pushing it, and in my experience NT people are worse culprits as they feel entitled to a response for some reason. I think I'm fairly good at being able to tell when someone's genuinely interested or just trying to gawp, and if I think someone's genuinely interested I will be less annoyed by their questions.



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31 Dec 2015, 12:14 pm

Jimothy1669 wrote:
I hope I didn't come across as rude or as personally attacking you, zkydz - I recognise, given the nature of this board, that social nuance can be difficult to navigate. I'm merely explaining things from the other side, so to speak - I may get questions from someone who has never met a trans person before and has an honest curiosity about things, and I don't begrudge them for that, but to me, that person is one of dozens, or even hundreds, who have and will ask me the same questions, and it gets tiring. Personally, I try to always be polite in response though! And I consciously remind myself that the people asking just don't understand the etiquette of the situation, because NT people are just as unaware of etiquette when it comes to invasive questions as autistic people.

I absolutely took no offense or felt singled out. One of the things I like about here is that for the most part, the people here are like me. Just blunt, nothing more than an exchange of information. And, for the first time, I have engaged a person who has taken my attempts at communication as such an exchange on this topic. I have truly appreciated yours and C2V's input. I get so wired up over trying to not let out the village idiot that I overwork things.

But, thank you so much for your input!! :)


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01 Jan 2016, 6:13 am

No, not wierd at all. Have you seen Areeya? She really looks like a woman. I think she is hot.



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01 Jan 2016, 8:54 am

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No, not wierd at all. Have you seen Areeya? She really looks like a woman. I think she is hot.
Personally, I see no need to limit 'hotness' based on sex. Maybe it's the artist in me, or maybe I'm just secure, but, man or woman, there is hotness abounding. Some are more feminine or masculine (male or female) but, no shortage of hotness.

And, when you see some of them, it's instantly, 'wow, you definitely got put in the wrong body.' And it ain't about if they look 'man' enough or 'woman' enough. It's the little things I notice, mannerisms (real not appropriated) bodily proportions, and other things. My second wife had a voice that was way low in register and barely female if you didn't know better. Was all of 5'1" and 100 Lbs soaking wet. So, there are many things that can tip it off and it's not always obvious.

I may get really slammed for this comment, but it is observation. Most transwomen I have known or observed are generally more feminine than most CIS women. They want to be a woman and work at it, but, most CIS women are too busy trying to 'beat men' by being the worst versions of men they can be. The walk, the graciousness, the femininity, the mannerisms, and some are even the most motherly people I have witnessed. All but the motherliness are practiced things for men and women. Just most CIS women don't see value in that anymore.


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01 Jan 2016, 9:07 am

I was going to slam you....you Objectifier!

But I decided, instead, to hit you with a wet noodle. :wink:

Seriously......I don't see why people can't admire aesthetics without being attacked.

Aesthetically-pleasing people come in all shapes and sizes.



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01 Jan 2016, 9:23 am

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I was going to slam you....you Objectifier!

But I decided, instead, to hit you with a wet noodle. :wink:

Seriously......I don't see why people can't admire aesthetics without being attacked.

Aesthetically-pleasing people come in all shapes and sizes.
That's actually funny to me. I see objectification as things like "Wow, bet she'd be good in bed (just because she has bit breasts or some other stupid criteria)! !" or "He's manly looking, I bet he's a great provider." or "So and so must be great at (fill in the blank) because he/she is (man or woman).

So, I find the objectivity comment truly funny. But as far as I know, by society s standards, maybe I am an objectifier. I did get the over-hyping up to the wet noodle though as funny :)

To me the funniest thing I have seen is that some of the women I work with or for (Past and present) have said things like that about objectification, but have literally turned around to me and in almost the same breath, said, and I quote: "You would be so much more attractive if you would lose weight." or "Why don't you shave/color your hair, you would look so much younger." and that list goes on. But, I find that to be mostly silly. The funniest is: "Have you considered a toupee or hair transplant?"


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01 Jan 2016, 9:32 am

I think you're doing quite well with language today, Zkydz.

Maybe you're better than you think you are!

Yep....and you are an Objectifier of car engines!



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01 Jan 2016, 9:54 am

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I think you're doing quite well with language today, Zkydz.
It comes and goes. Some things just confuse me or something like that. But, it's really frustrating as it conks out at the weirdest times. It's also frustrating for co-workers as well. Been expressed to me in ways like "How did you NOT get that?". I dunno. Some things make sense, most things don't. And, the way you presented it is a way I've been conditioned to understand. Hyperbole I usually get as it presents something so outrageous, it can't be true.

And, there is that I've seen your posts. I've never seen anything accusatory in them before, so I can put the personality with the comment and find the incongruence.

Car engines....maybe, fenders definitely!! Love those big, round, bulbous protrusions...uhhhh...excuse me...I need some private time...... :oops:


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