I do NOT want to be cured for Autism Spectrum Disorder!

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02 Jan 2016, 5:51 am

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I am left handed - WOT'S WRONG WITH THAT 'EY?

Are they wanting to cure me of that too?!


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The idea of “correcting” left-handedness, common in the postwar United States, now seems quaint if not barbaric


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That need for conformity was one reason that left-handers used to be forced, often quite brutally, to write with their right hands.


Up until the 1960's in public schools and much later in private schools it was common for the teacher to hit your left hand with a ruler if you used it.

The idea of curing left handedness is far from gone
Why are there (almost) no left-handers in China?
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Like the Chinese, many North and East African peoples attempt to 'cure' left-handedness by a combination of restraints and severe punishments. Religion has often reinforced these practices. In China, we can see how a combination of traditional values and practical considerations seems to have merged to reduce both the actual and reported prevalence of left-handedness.


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02 Jan 2016, 5:59 am

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Life with ASD can be (and certainly is) hard, especially when it comes to social relations and stuff like that.

But the last thing in this world I would want, is a cure for my ASD. It is who I am. ASD is a very much integrated part of who I am. I do not want to be another person. I could as well die, actually I would rather die a horribly painful death than accepting a cure for my ASD.

But because I depend on public welfare programs, if there ever come a cure for ASD the law says I must accept that cure. Even though it would dramatically change who I am as an individual. People on welfare have absolutely no right to individual liberty in my country.

Which is the reason I outright HATE scientists who tries to work out a cure for autism. I hate autism research. I feel disgust and contempt towards research in autism.

I HATE curebies!

Am I alone?


I disagree with you regarding a cure and your hatred for autism research however I agree with your thoughts on individual liberties on welfare. What country are you in if you don't mind me asking? I am in America myself and I am forced to take medication that does just jack for me other than probably hurt my liver for the sake of treatment. I mean yeah they tell me I can get off of it with no consequence but I would no doubt lose social security if I didn't show I was at least trying to get treatment. The system is broken, no doubt about that and I do feel forced into a lot of the so called treatment I get.

I am not opposed to treatment but they need to make sure it actually works. I feel no different on meds and if anything they just make me feel worse.



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08 Jan 2016, 8:12 pm

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Life with ASD can be (and certainly is) hard, especially when it comes to social relations and stuff like that.

But the last thing in this world I would want, is a cure for my ASD. It is who I am. ASD is a very much integrated part of who I am. I do not want to be another person. I could as well die, actually I would rather die a horribly painful death than accepting a cure for my ASD.

But because I depend on public welfare programs, if there ever come a cure for ASD the law says I must accept that cure. Even though it would dramatically change who I am as an individual. People on welfare have absolutely no right to individual liberty in my country.

Which is the reason I outright HATE scientists who tries to work out a cure for autism. I hate autism research. I feel disgust and contempt towards research in autism.

I HATE curebies!

Am I alone?


I agree with you. I would never want to take a cure for ASD as I feel it makes up a huge part of who I am personality wise. With all this talk about trying to find a "cure" for it, I can't help but think of the plot to X-Men: The Last Stand where there was the cure for mutants and how that rubbed a lot of the main characters the wrong way. Even though a lot of people see mutants and their mutations in the movies as a parallel for homosexuals (and there's nothing wrong with that), I think that it could just as easily be a parallel for those on the Autism Spectrum. In my mind, there's nothing to be cured. Also, out of curiosity, what country are you from?



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09 Jan 2016, 2:24 am

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I agree with you. I would never want to take a cure for ASD as I feel it makes up a huge part of who I am personality wise. With all this talk about trying to find a "cure" for it, I can't help but think of the plot to X-Men: The Last Stand where there was the cure for mutants and how that rubbed a lot of the main characters the wrong way. Even though a lot of people see mutants and their mutations in the movies as a parallel for homosexuals (and there's nothing wrong with that), I think that it could just as easily be a parallel for those on the Autism Spectrum. In my mind, there's nothing to be cured. Also, out of curiosity, what country are you from?


Sure, but you know in that movie people are lined up around the block to get that cure.


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09 Jan 2016, 2:25 am

Kenya wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Life with ASD can be (and certainly is) hard, especially when it comes to social relations and stuff like that.

But the last thing in this world I would want, is a cure for my ASD. It is who I am. ASD is a very much integrated part of who I am. I do not want to be another person. I could as well die, actually I would rather die a horribly painful death than accepting a cure for my ASD.

But because I depend on public welfare programs, if there ever come a cure for ASD the law says I must accept that cure. Even though it would dramatically change who I am as an individual. People on welfare have absolutely no right to individual liberty in my country.

Which is the reason I outright HATE scientists who tries to work out a cure for autism. I hate autism research. I feel disgust and contempt towards research in autism.

I HATE curebies!

Am I alone?


I agree with you. I would never want to take a cure for ASD as I feel it makes up a huge part of who I am personality wise. With all this talk about trying to find a "cure" for it, I can't help but think of the plot to X-Men: The Last Stand where there was the cure for mutants and how that rubbed a lot of the main characters the wrong way. Even though a lot of people see mutants and their mutations in the movies as a parallel for homosexuals (and there's nothing wrong with that), I think that it could just as easily be a parallel for those on the Autism Spectrum. In my mind, there's nothing to be cured. Also, out of curiosity, what country are you from?


This is why I love the X-Men; I see them as a metaphor for autistics, and The Last Stand was definitely my favourite of the films, specifically because it reminded me so much of the curebies trying to eliminate us, and of our capacity to fight back. I hope they don't come up with a treatment for autism; it would be okay if it were only offered to those who wanted it, but I know the minute they find a cure, almost every parent of every autistic child in the country is going to flock to the nearest hospital or clinic and cure their kid without giving the child's wants any consideration. I also dread the day they figure out how to detect us in utero. At that point, I wouldn't be surprised if the abortion rates for autistics matched those of Down syndrome babies, at 97% or something absurd.


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09 Jan 2016, 5:31 am

I don't mind if people goes for the cure or not. I understand both "sides". Either the optimistic ones or the whiners. Either curebies or anti-cure ones.
It's the system's fault that prioritizing so many mismatched 'ideal traits'. (Traits of what? Traits of charm?) :wink:
It could be the culture's fault for seeing autism as unnatural, suspicious. or look down upon.
It could be lack of other kind of empathy from the majority.
If not empathy, it's the lack of understanding or ignorance.
It's the majority's fault to force people to change into something they're not.
However, it could also be the individual's envy, hate, or lack of fulfillment thinking drastic change will change all their life's faults.



Somehow, somewhat, it's all about adding and removing certain social constraints. And declare a kind of 'Atypical' thinking or something as a 'Trend', becoming the 'Modern Way', then it grows into something to be 'Respected', and to the point it becomes the 'Standard Norm', no longer the 'Atypical'. Then such cycle could repeat itself to another and to itself.

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09 Jan 2016, 8:44 am

General research on ASD and its causes I'm ok with, but wanting to find a cure for it and a way to detect it in the womb (remember reading something about it, not sure where) I'm not. The former because there are a lot of autistics that still are able to function in the real world without much of a problem, and the latter because I doubt the test would be able to tell if the child would be a high-functioning or low-functioning autistic.

Finding out effective ways to simply treat it like many other mental disorders, like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, could potentially be a good thing though especially for low-functioning autistics and their parents. Who, let's be honest, are probably the majority of those who'd want them to find a cure for it and funding such research. Also the ones trying to get everyone to believe that the only kind of autism is the low-functioning kind.


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09 Jan 2016, 8:58 am

dcj123 wrote:
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Which is the reason I outright HATE scientists who tries to work out a cure for autism. I hate autism research. I feel disgust and contempt towards research in autism.

I HATE curebies!

Am I alone?


I disagree with you regarding a cure and your hatred for autism research however I agree with your thoughts on individual liberties on welfare. What country are you in if you don't mind me asking? I am in America myself and I am forced to take medication that does just jack for me other than probably hurt my liver for the sake of treatment. I mean yeah they tell me I can get off of it with no consequence but I would no doubt lose social security if I didn't show I was at least trying to get treatment. The system is broken, no doubt about that and I do feel forced into a lot of the so called treatment I get.

I am not opposed to treatment but they need to make sure it actually works. I feel no different on meds and if anything they just make me feel worse.

I am surprised to hear that Social Security can force anyone to take medication or lose their benefits. Exactly how was this conveyed to you?


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09 Jan 2016, 9:02 am

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Life with ASD can be (and certainly is) hard, especially when it comes to social relations and stuff like that.

But the last thing in this world I would want, is a cure for my ASD. It is who I am. ASD is a very much integrated part of who I am. I do not want to be another person. I could as well die, actually I would rather die a horribly painful death than accepting a cure for my ASD.

But because I depend on public welfare programs, if there ever come a cure for ASD the law says I must accept that cure. Even though it would dramatically change who I am as an individual. People on welfare have absolutely no right to individual liberty in my country.

Which is the reason I outright HATE scientists who tries to work out a cure for autism. I hate autism research. I feel disgust and contempt towards research in autism.

I HATE curebies!

Am I alone?

Hate is a strong word. There is a lot of polarized, black-and-white, exaggerated thinking in your short post. This kind of thinking is almost always "wrong" in the sense that it ignores a lot of subtlety and creates more problems than it solves.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that's no guarantee that your opinion is fruitful in any way. Notice I did not say right. An idea can be right or wrong but if it doesn't lead to something productive, what good is it?


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09 Jan 2016, 9:13 am

If I had a quid for each time people on WP say "Autism makes me who I am" I would be rich.

But seriously, you say that you hate curebies, and I say I hate Autism lovers.
What's so fantastic about being unable to control emotions and having to live on antidepressants for the rest of your life?

What's so fantastic about being more prone to depression than the average person?

Autism is only fantastic if you're above average in IQ, and you are studious and focused and might invent a time machine some day. But when you're like me; average-below average IQ, highly anxious, inattentive, slow at learning, have panic attacks at work, wanting to socialise and be like your peers but have difficulties with this, does not make Autism so fantastic.

Yeah maybe we have special interests, big woop, NTs can have those too.


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09 Jan 2016, 9:30 am

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If I had a quid for each time people on WP say "Autism makes me who I am" I would be rich.

But seriously, you say that you hate curebies, and I say I hate Autism lovers.
What's so fantastic about being unable to control emotions and having to live on antidepressants for the rest of your life?

What's so fantastic about being more prone to depression than the average person?

Autism is only fantastic if you're above average in IQ, and you are studious and focused and might invent a time machine some day. But when you're like me; average-below average IQ, highly anxious, inattentive, slow at learning, have panic attacks at work, wanting to socialise and be like your peers but have difficulties with this, does not make Autism so fantastic.

Yeah maybe we have special interests, big woop, NTs can have those too.


There are savant autistics who have jobs, married etc who are miserable, and severe autistics who are happy. It depends on personality, people and environment they are surrounded by etc.

As a neurological condition by definition Autism is a factor in who you are. The good parts, the parts that should be good but society says no no no, and the bad parts that have nothing to do with society.


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09 Jan 2016, 2:09 pm

I wouldn´t want to be cured. I like who I am, - but I would like to relive a great deal of my life KNOWING.
I sort of did at some level, but I never suggested it, so no understanding came of it.
Knowing might have eased things a bit.


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18 Apr 2016, 4:06 am

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I HATE curebies!

Am I alone?


You're not alone. In fact, there's even increasing support for the notion that Autism is not a disorder.



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18 Apr 2016, 5:27 am

Would you stop saying "who I am" so much?

I hate AS. I f*****g hate it. I am not a genius who is able, and happy, to focus on a special interest. I am inattentive, anxious, unconfident and stupid. I got in trouble at work for being depressed. I can't even deal with work. I want to win the lottery and leave work.

AS ruined my childhood, my school life, my relationships with friends. All because I had the MMR vaccine. It done something to my brain. I feel like AS is NOT who I am. I feel there's an NT in me but the evil AS won't let it come out.

I f*****g hate it.


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18 Apr 2016, 8:32 am

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What's so fantastic about being more prone to depression than the average person?


LGB individuals have higher rates of depression than straight individuals. Does that mean they need a cure for their sexual orientation?

If you're the target of discrimination, you'll tend to get depression. The solution to that is not to cure what makes you different from others, but to learn to fight back and take care of yourself instead of internalizing the hurtful things other people say and do.



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18 Apr 2016, 8:43 am

There is nothing any more "fantastic" to having an autism spectrum disorder than there is to having achromatopsia, amusia, or anosmia. These are conditions that people live with, have grown accustomed to, and for which there are no known cures.