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09 Jan 2016, 8:46 am

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I'm going to start describing sociopaths and psychopaths as "hyper-typical".

Do you have an opinion about this?

If you do I would love to hear it?

Dennis, I caution against making up new words (neologisms) which the majority of your audience won't be familiar with. If you are a prominent thinker in a field, maybe linguistics or sociology or even the hard sciences, at times you will need to make up a word to describe a new concept. However, you have to be prominent enough that your ideas are going to catch on and be widely discussed, or else you are just communicating with yourself. Do you see what I mean?

I do think sociopaths and psychopaths are neurodiverse in the sense that their brains are wired differently than most people's. There is reason to think they are overly in tune with rewards and inadequately in tune with punishments, so that when faced with an opportunity to gain something, they don't weigh the pro's and con's. They also seem to have a social processing deficit in the area of empathy - in this, they are somewhat similar to autistic people, although that's only one trait shared, so I am not equating them.


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09 Jan 2016, 8:57 am

Well actually functional language use is all based on assumptions, I assume that you associate certain meanings and concepts with certain words, and according to this premise we exchange information.

But regardless could you entertain the possibility that communication and manipulation are one and the same?


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09 Jan 2016, 9:03 am

I am not curently a leader in any particular, but what I am interested in doing is creating a theory of language and mind from the autist's point of view.

I am distrustful of the way typical people use language and I desire my vocabulary and concepts to reflect this.


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09 Jan 2016, 9:37 am

Dennis Prichard wrote:
Well actually functional language use is all based on assumptions, I assume that you associate certain meanings and concepts with certain words, and according to this premise we exchange information.

But regardless could you entertain the possibility that communication and manipulation are one and the same?

No, I couldn't. There can be a lot of communication that has no motive of manipulating an outcome. And there are many forms of manipulation that don't even involve communication - except very indirectly.

About the most I could agree to is that there can be partial overlap - like the typical Venn diagram? But I can't agree that they are identical, which is what I take "one and the same" to mean. They are not synonymous.


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09 Jan 2016, 6:05 pm

I suppose its difficult to illustrate what I say without examples.

However I can say that my autism reveals itself in the manner and tempo of what I say, I am the anti-manipulator.

I seek a new paradigm, and within that paradigm I am not a social failure but rather an abherration with special knowledge of how the human mind actually functions.


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09 Jan 2016, 8:00 pm

I have difficulty with the OP's thesis as it does make assumptions based on the wording of 'hyper' for one. Depending on the persons involved it will be taken one of two ways (can't think of a third) and that would be either negative or positive. But, I am thinking mostly positive as it does literally mean over the top.

hyper- A prefix that means "excessive" or "excessively"

Hyper-speed, hyper-focus, hyper-trading, the list goes on. However it is also big in popular culture a lot thanks to the wave of superhero movies, sci-fi surge and that would sway things even further.

Also the joining of the words (or terms) hyper (excessive) and typical (implying a connection to Neurotypical) suggests that the psychopathic or sociopathic individuals would be an extreme ideal of being Neurotypical or just typical......>shudder<

Don't think that would be the goal.....to elevate that type of thought process to an above normal status.


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09 Jan 2016, 11:16 pm

The first thirty five years of my life were essentially a coming to terms with the fact that people don't like being around me. Without help from a useful classification like "you are autistic".
In order to achieve that goal I've had to question strongly certain holy cows within our western intellectual tradition, that is a longer story.

Needless to say i don't look fondly on the word "typical", as it represents an ideal that I have tried to live up to, but unsuccessfully.


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09 Jan 2016, 11:30 pm

Dennis Prichard wrote:
The first thirty five years of my life were essentially a coming to terms with the fact that people don't like being around me. Without help from a useful classification like "you are autistic".
In order to achieve that goal I've had to question strongly certain holy cows within our western intellectual tradition, that is a longer story.

Needless to say i don't look fondly on the word "typical", as it represents an ideal that I have tried to live up to, but unsuccessfully.


Have you made contact with Autism Front, Autism Initiatives, and/or The National Autistic Society yet? The latter two often run programs aimed towards aiding adults with Autism.


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10 Jan 2016, 12:10 am

Thanx, the closest thing to a proper cosmopolitan city where I am is Hong Kong and they only have programs for children.

I suppose it should be satisfaction enough, that now I know I'm not the only person on planet earth who feels a certain away.

Its not so lonely you know.


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10 Jan 2016, 12:22 am

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Thanx, the closest thing to a proper cosmopolitan city where I am is Hong Kong and they only have programs for children.

I suppose it should be satisfaction enough, that now I know I'm not the only person on planet earth who feels a certain away.

Its not so lonely you know.


Given your stated location (Edenburgh), I thought you were from Scotland, is that not the case?


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10 Jan 2016, 3:35 am

I was born in Edenburgh but I don't live there at this moment.

I don't know why it came up like that.


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10 Jan 2016, 3:38 am

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10 Jan 2016, 5:52 am

Dennis Prichard wrote:
I'm going to start describing sociopaths and psychopaths as "hyper-typical".

Do you have an opinion about this?

If you do I would love to hear it?

Hyper-typical is an oxymoron, which makes the meaning of the word confusing. Hyper suggests that they're exceptional in some way and typical suggests they're nothing out of the ordinary. So that makes them amazingly normal people, which I don't think is the message you want to get across.



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10 Jan 2016, 7:00 am

Super-normal yes its probably something in that approximate direction.

Normal is confusing to me.

I have no understanding of what these normal people are doing, busily desperately trying to be themselves.

I have no understanding of what friendship means though it seems to be very important in a lot of people's lives.

The status quo leaves me powerless and confused.

But if I tweak a word I can have a bit more power and understanding.


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11 Jan 2016, 12:44 am

It seems that this thread has run its course.

I'll just finish on a note and say that words can give a lot of power.

At the moment we are making do with voculabulary and terminology gifted to us by the neurotypical majority.

I do believe people within the autism spectrum community should alter their language and understanding of language to better represent their aitistic life experience.


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