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14 Jan 2016, 8:52 pm

We live in a world that is about 98% populated with these NT creatures whom we don't understand. This is one of the few places we meet people who can understand us. We need to let our frustrations loose about these people who vastly outnumber us and don't get us, because it's rare that we can speak to a person who understands.



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14 Jan 2016, 8:54 pm

I have trouble with transitions.

I enjoy watching old ballgames on YouTube. or 1960s music performances. When my wife wants me to look up an item on Amazon.com, I get REALLY irritated.

I get so wrapped up in things that there are times when I don't hear what she's saying.



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14 Jan 2016, 8:57 pm

And they NEVER ask during a commercial!! LOL


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14 Jan 2016, 9:31 pm

Grammar Geek wrote:
We live in a world that is about 98% populated with these NT creatures whom we don't understand. This is one of the few places we meet people who can understand us. We need to let our frustrations loose about these people who vastly outnumber us and don't get us, because it's rare that we can speak to a person who understands.


Yes, these strange beings known as NTs, they confound me. They seem to look like me in some aspects, but are so fundamentally different...

Seriously, I have always felt like NTs were a different "species" from me, like I didn't belong amongst them, I knew they would never truly understand me. I will admit that I tend to "stereotype" the NT species, as sheepish, dim-witted creatures. :twisted:


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14 Jan 2016, 10:22 pm

(oops, double post!) :oops:


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14 Jan 2016, 10:23 pm

A lot of times, I feel like I understand them better than I do other autistic people. That may well be the case, because I've actually worked on it. When you do this for a while, you realize that any kind of generalization is going to be a load of crap.

Kraftie's got it with the "you've met one person" thing.

There are "NTs" I've met who seem more autistic than I do. But they aren't. They're just... like that. It's a normal human variance.

Frankly, these stereotypes infuriate me. I'm particularly irked by the idea that we're "more logical". In my experience that's utter nonsense. It and a lot of this other stuff just wreaks of arrogance, unwarranted self-importance, and narrow-mindedness. It really disgusts me, even though I totally get where it's coming from:

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I suppose Aspies see NTs as these intensely social beings that love partying and hate anything else, just like NTs see Aspies as nerdy emotionless beings obsessed with trains.

I suppose it's common for Aspies to be black and white thinkers though, unlike me. I always see the grey areas in everything, so this is why I feel irked when I see Aspies here seeing things as either black or white. I feel I have to voice my thoughts.


That's pretty much it. I mean, I'm more social than some "NT" people I've known. I've met others who are indeed intensely interested in something kind of weird. There's this vast and beautiful variety of human behavior... and these stereotypes ignore it.


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14 Jan 2016, 11:23 pm

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Thanks for putting my frustration with this site for the last few months into words



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15 Jan 2016, 1:47 am

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I find there's so much stereotyping about NTs here, and I find it more irritating than stereotypes about Autism.

A lot of Aspies seem to think that no NT lives with their parents after the age of 18, all have one interest which is parties, alcohol and sex, hate anything to do with education, are married with kids by age 22, and are all emotionally well-adjusted.

Some stereotypes about NTs here even get mixed up, like in some threads I hear Aspies go, ''I'm glad I have Asperger's, if I were NT I would just be working in a dead-end job all my life'', presuming that stereotype is implying that NTs are unable to get good jobs because they are ''stupid'' and hate studying. Then in other threads Aspies go, ''I wish I was NT, because then I will be in a well-paid job..'' I feel the latter is more true, but not necessarily. Some NTs are just more successful than others.
It's common for NTs to have a craze of partying and drinking when they are young, and some make it a routine to party every week-end for years, and others begin to feel that it's not that much of a big deal and would rather do other things with their lives.

And finally, the most annoying stereotype of all, is ''NTs have no interest in anything except socializing'', also meaning, ''NTs who go to college and university are only doing it because their friends are, they have no desire for the classes they are actually taking'', and, ''NTs don't study or work out of interest or enjoyment, they just want good money so they put up with it just for the money.''
That is all false too. Yes there are some people out there who are just in for it only for the money, but that doesn't define NT. I know an NT girl who is obsessed with beauty, and started off by doing a health and beauty course at college, then done some voluntary work at a local hair-dressers, which she stuck with so that in the end she got a job there. But she wants to get into a beauty parlour doing makeovers on people and other stuff like that, so she's still gaining experience by working her way towards getting her desired job. And she is not into beauty just because her friends are. She chose this path herself.


The girl posting this topic is simply making up a stereotype about "what AS think about NTs".

1/ I am sure that she saw nowhere that an AS saying anything like: "no NT lives with their parents after the age of 18, all have one interest which is parties, alcohol and sex, hate anything to do with education, are married with kids by age 22, and are all emotionally well-adjusted."
This is BLATANT LIES

2/ She says "A lot of Aspies seem to think that ..."
She is GENERALIZING THOSE LIES

=> This is precisely how you proceed to create a stereotype.
Subject of her stereotype being: "What Aspies think"

P.S. She is well aware that she lies, that she generalizes and that she is creating a shameful stereotype.



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15 Jan 2016, 2:10 am

I'm honestly not sure if you're being facetious, LaetiBlabla.

Assuming you aren't, this is not an example of stereotyping. It's an observation of the behavior of some people here. And "a lot of" and "seem" back this up, acknowledging that it is merely an observation and that it is not necessarily representative about how aspies on WP feel.

A lot of it is also an exaggeration, and probably a deliberate one.


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15 Jan 2016, 2:18 am

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I'm honestly not sure if you're being facetious, LaetiBlabla.

Assuming you aren't, this is not an example of stereotyping. It's an observation of the behavior of some people here. And "a lot of" and "seem" back this up, acknowledging that it is merely an observation and that it is not necessarily representative about how aspies on WP feel.

A lot of it is also an exaggeration, and probably a deliberate one.


Those are lies, not observations.



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15 Jan 2016, 3:48 am

You're being very rude, and I'm not certain at this point if your behavior is trolling.

Nothing in the post you quoted was a lie.


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15 Jan 2016, 3:58 am

Austinfrom1995 wrote:
Grammar Geek wrote:
We live in a world that is about 98% populated with these NT creatures whom we don't understand. This is one of the few places we meet people who can understand us. We need to let our frustrations loose about these people who vastly outnumber us and don't get us, because it's rare that we can speak to a person who understands.


Yes, these strange beings known as NTs, they confound me. They seem to look like me in some aspects, but are so fundamentally different...

Seriously, I have always felt like NTs were a different "species" from me, like I didn't belong amongst them, I knew they would never truly understand me. I will admit that I tend to "stereotype" the NT species, as sheepish, dim-witted creatures. :twisted:


I like to think of myself as many things, but sheepish and dim-witted? No.


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15 Jan 2016, 4:07 am

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I like to think of myself as many things, but sheepish and dim-witted? No.


I'm sure most of people here (NTor AS) don't think you are sheepish and dim-witted.
Don't worry, be happy.



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15 Jan 2016, 7:54 am

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"no NT lives with their parents after the age of 18, all have one interest which is parties, alcohol and sex, hate anything to do with education, are married with kids by age 22, and are all emotionally well-adjusted."


Not in those precise words, but often people with AS do imply this. Not all of us, but a lot do. I know so many NTs over 18 who still live at home, maybe because they can't afford to move out, or can't find a job, or even not ready yet. I've seen posts saying stuff like ''I'm 20 and still live at home''. Lots of people still live at home at 20. In the UK the average age of moving out of parents house is actually 25-26. I know lots of 21-year-old NTs who still live at home and have a messy room like a teenager.

But maybe it is different in America. More members here are from America, and maybe society is different there, and maybe more people do move out in their late teens. But here in the UK things are different. Don't forget, we have a crappy government. So society is a little more tolerant of young adults that aren't fully independent.


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15 Jan 2016, 8:21 am

Joe90 wrote:
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"no NT lives with their parents after the age of 18, all have one interest which is parties, alcohol and sex, hate anything to do with education, are married with kids by age 22, and are all emotionally well-adjusted."


Not in those precise words, but often people with AS do imply this. Not all of us, but a lot do. I know so many NTs over 18 who still live at home, maybe because they can't afford to move out, or can't find a job, or even not ready yet. I've seen posts saying stuff like ''I'm 20 and still live at home''. Lots of people still live at home at 20. In the UK the average age of moving out of parents house is actually 25-26. I know lots of 21-year-old NTs who still live at home and have a messy room like a teenager.

But maybe it is different in America. More members here are from America, and maybe society is different there, and maybe more people do move out in their late teens. But here in the UK things are different. Don't forget, we have a crappy government. So society is a little more tolerant of young adults that aren't fully independent.


I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way.
Societies do change from country to country. That's why useless gerneralizations are not helpful as they have no context. It can even change from region to region (America is a big country). I grew up in the south where by and large, most people are raised to be independent at adulthood. I go to NYC where there are a lot of different cultures and it's a real mixed bag. The Chinese will have extended family up to 4 generations in a house. Most from the European (I mean within one or two generations of arriving) countries do as you said, it is not unusual for people to live at home until late 20s or early 30s. The advantage to that is that the younger generation can be saving for proper independence while helping the folks with financials.

Some take advantage of it. I know two people from the south that basically have never had to pay rent or take on the responsibilities of adulthood because their parents allow it. BTW...those two are in their 50's. So, no. Generalizations without some sort of clarifications applied can be misleading or hamper communications.


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