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26 Jan 2016, 12:42 pm

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Nothing man-made is the same as nature-made. Why on Earth would they think this is a good idea?


This is an indication of how desperate some people are to cure Autism. It is also an indication of the oldest motive in the world, money. Desperation leads to spending money.


Why are people so desperate and scrambling to find a cure for autism? If there is a cure, our world will become bland and grey.


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26 Jan 2016, 12:53 pm

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Hmmm, genetically modifying the intellectual capabilities of monkey's huh...

What could possibly go wrong?


Planet of the Apes did not feature a single monkey in the entire movie. Only apes.


*Actors in ape costumes. :roll:
New movie was all CG apes.......The only thing that was harmed in the new movies were animator's nerves.....


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26 Jan 2016, 1:40 pm

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
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Nothing man-made is the same as nature-made. Why on Earth would they think this is a good idea?


This is an indication of how desperate some people are to cure Autism. It is also an indication of the oldest motive in the world, money. Desperation leads to spending money.


Why are people so desperate and scrambling to find a cure for autism? If there is a cure, our world will become bland and grey.


There are a few reasons.

You unintentionally partially answered your own question. Many people want bland and grey, they fear difference.
In nearly every article or blog written by an parent of an autistic child I have read describe intense grief when they learn of thier childs diagnosis. They realize the expected things or what they view as things that are supposed to happen such as school, friends, prom, job, marriage and grandchildren may not happen. Many of these parents do get over thier grief and become wonderful advocates for thier children, autism rights and acceptence. Others remain so desperate they resort to quack "cures" such as chelation and bleach enemas.

Autism is a syndrome, it much much more then social communication but to most people that is the only thing they see. For most people social communication ability, or more accurately the ability to communicate like themselves is the most important value. The combination of lack of information and desperation becomes a catch 22 situation. Desperate and ill informed people are easy prey to "charities" and people selling quack cures who in order get people to donate or pay for the cures will describe autism in the worst possible way. People who "have autism" are described as head banging people who will never have a job and get married, embarrass parents in public, people so hard to raise that the family will go broke, the strain will ruin marriages, siblings will be neglected and parents will get PTSD. This disinformation campaign works because it contains some partial truths, some autistics are that severe that these things happen. This leads to more desperation and thus more money to people spreading disinformation, which leads to more desperation, a toxic cycle that hurts everybody.


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26 Jan 2016, 1:48 pm

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People who "have autism" are described as head banging people who will never have a job and get married, embarrass parents in public, people so hard to raise that the family will go broke, the strain will ruin marriages, siblings will be neglected and parents will get PTSD. This disinformation campaign works because it contains some partial truths, some autistics are that severe that these things happen. This leads to more desperation and thus more money to people spreading disinformation, which leads to more desperation, a toxic cycle that hurts everybody.
I know that until recently that was the idea I had. And, here I am. So, still trying to process things....so much overload on so many levels. So much new information. For instance, lack of executive function has been extensively noted in my psychiatric history. Messy rooms, messy work spaces. Having to keep things in a ritual 'put down here' mode or I will lose it. But, it's all organized to me and how I work. Something so simple, yet completely different for me.


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26 Jan 2016, 2:58 pm

hoo hoo hoo hoo

8O :) :D



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26 Jan 2016, 6:14 pm

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I don't like this idea either, if the sole purpose is to study the monkeys so they can find a cure for us. I'm not interested.


They're NOT forcing you to. Quit being a baby..



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26 Jan 2016, 6:15 pm

I was quite confident that they'd eventually be able to achieve such a thing. In fact, it's been said that a certain amount of mercury is enough to give young boys ADD.



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26 Jan 2016, 7:05 pm

I'm less interested in this because I'm interested in autism's effect on human language.

I also feel sorry for the poor monkeys.


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26 Jan 2016, 7:16 pm

I wonder how Mickey Dolenz and Mike Nesmith feel about this.....


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26 Jan 2016, 8:19 pm

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I don't like this idea either, if the sole purpose is to study the monkeys so they can find a cure for us. I'm not interested.


They're NOT forcing you to. Quit being a baby..


I expect if a cure is found it will not be legally forced but tremendous financial and peer pressure will be put on people to take the cure. For example insurance unavailable or unaffordable for refuseniks, employment not available either. I would expect that refusing to take the cure will be taken as a sign of mental illness.

Quit making personal attacks on members.


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27 Jan 2016, 8:49 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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I don't like this idea either, if the sole purpose is to study the monkeys so they can find a cure for us. I'm not interested.


They're NOT forcing you to. Quit being a baby..


I expect if a cure is found it will not be legally forced but tremendous financial and peer pressure will be put on people to take the cure. For example insurance unavailable or unaffordable for refuseniks, employment not available either. I would expect that refusing to take the cure will be taken as a sign of mental illness.

Quit making personal attacks on members.


It just bothers me so much that some of these people think Autism is some sort of special gift. They probably never had to suffer the pain some of us gone through in our lives..



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27 Jan 2016, 9:02 am

BrainPower101 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
BrainPower101 wrote:
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I don't like this idea either, if the sole purpose is to study the monkeys so they can find a cure for us. I'm not interested.


They're NOT forcing you to. Quit being a baby..


I expect if a cure is found it will not be legally forced but tremendous financial and peer pressure will be put on people to take the cure. For example insurance unavailable or unaffordable for refuseniks, employment not available either. I would expect that refusing to take the cure will be taken as a sign of mental illness.

Quit making personal attacks on members.


It just bothers me so much that some of these people think Autism is some sort of special gift. They probably never had to suffer the pain some of us gone through in our lives..
Not wanting a cure is not the same thing as thinking it's a gift. I wouldn't want a 'cure' because I would not know what is changed. "Flowers for Algernon" would be a point of reference. And, maybe that cure creates other problems as well. But I do agree with ASPartOfMe and the assessment of the social consequences. The need for conformity is seems to be rising with the need to 'recognize diversity'...and by the same people. "I can be me all I want....but you need to be like me too..." "What's good for me is not good for thee" and all those other things that are cropping up.


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27 Jan 2016, 10:19 am

What?! lol.



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27 Jan 2016, 10:30 am

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What?! lol.
What part confuses you?


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27 Jan 2016, 1:06 pm

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Hmmm, genetically modifying the intellectual capabilities of monkey's huh...

What could possibly go wrong?


Planet of the Apes did not feature a single monkey in the entire movie. Only apes.


*Actors in ape costumes. :roll:


Still apes. Most movies feature apes.



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27 Jan 2016, 1:30 pm

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Still apes. Most movies feature apes.
This just made me laugh......
I can't think of a single movie that does not involve a human in one way or another....

We're Great Apes..... :jocolor: :jocolor:


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