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29 Jan 2016, 10:58 pm

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To 'other' someone means to intentionally make them stand out as not belonging, often because they don't conform to some arbitrary standard of perfection. It's a social signal to everyone else in the group that the person being othered is not to be accepted & typically also that they are inferior.
Thank you :) That would fall in line about them not respecting how to address AspieAlphys28 as requested. Assuming it has been requested. I don't know if it can be requested in certain parts of the world.

Kinda hard when the teachers are the 'mean girls.'


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29 Jan 2016, 11:15 pm

Ha, all of my elementary school teachers (except one) were "mean girls" to me. So many bad teachers out there. Being different made me stand out, so I was an easy target.

That kind of treatment doesn't surprise me at all.



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29 Jan 2016, 11:19 pm

I had an English teacher who wouldn't accept an essay I wrote because it "didn't sound like me".
What was she expecting?
An essay with a stutter?


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29 Jan 2016, 11:26 pm

^That's ridiculous.

Most of my teachers in high school assumed I was a dumb bad kid (I was bad at this point) and since I doodled in my notebook in class, they assumed I wasn't paying attention. So they called on me deliberately to catch me not paying attention, and I always knew the answers.

Eventually they figured out I wasn't stupid after I got A's on all the tests that I actually showed up to take.

The lesson in this thread is: Don't judge a book by its cover.



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30 Jan 2016, 4:31 am

They surely do. When arguing with me, establishing the premise that I'm stupid is usually among the first things they do. And, since intelligence is such a vague concept, I don't think I can prove them wrong. After all, it's supposed to have something to do with solving problems, so, if I tried to impress someone with my intelligence---or maybe I should say "with my not-as-complete-stupidity-as-they-expected"---they'd have every right to retort, "If you're so smart, how come you absolutely suck at life?", and I'd have to concede it's a very good point.


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30 Jan 2016, 7:02 am

Usually it's the opposite. People perceive me as 'smart,' then just get pissed off that I don't function. They seem to believe there is some direct correlation between intelligence and success. Oddly, when they ask about things I don't understand and am very 'stupid' about, like emotional cognition, they then accuse me of making it up because I'm 'smart.' You can't win.


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30 Jan 2016, 8:28 am

Spiderpig wrote:
They surely do. When arguing with me, establishing the premise that I'm stupid is usually among the first things they do......
I honestly believe that's just a general tactic. Not so sure that's aimed at you.

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Usually it's the opposite. People perceive me as 'smart,' then just get pissed off that I don't function. They seem to believe there is some direct correlation between intelligence and success. Oddly, when they ask about things I don't understand and am very 'stupid' about, like emotional cognition, they then accuse me of making it up because I'm 'smart.' You can't win.
Right there widja C2V. And, it really prevents moving up in the world. It's a ceiling that just won't budge.


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30 Jan 2016, 1:53 pm

C2V wrote:
Usually it's the opposite. People perceive me as 'smart,' then just get pissed off that I don't function. They seem to believe there is some direct correlation between intelligence and success. Oddly, when they ask about things I don't understand and am very 'stupid' about, like emotional cognition, they then accuse me of making it up because I'm 'smart.' You can't win.

Oh, I get this. They don't realize that IQ is a very narrow set of measures of specific problem-solving abilities. At work, word got around years ago that I was a member of a high-IQ society (it helps in my field to have it on a resume if it's mentioned only in the social memberships category at the end - ironically enough). So people expected me to be some sort of super-person. They were disappointed, of course, when I turned out to be socially awkward and clumsy, absent minded and seemingly stupid about everyday things. But when push comes to shove I'm usually able to put disparate pieces together and synthesise a solution before others have gathered the pieces to identify the actual problem. Doesn't do much good, my reputation is and always will be, "weird but nice". Sort of like a pet wombat, or something.


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30 Jan 2016, 2:35 pm

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Doesn't do much good, my reputation is and always will be, "weird but nice". Sort of like a pet wombat, or something.
That's my new measurement. The Wombat Principle. It's the level a person stops rising up in the world, not based on ability, but perceived ability.


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31 Jan 2016, 5:19 am

Whenever I reminisce with people about the first time we met, a lot of them describe their initial thoughts of me as being either a really goofy guy, or a mysterious stranger.

I imagine that there are a few people that think of me as stupid, though those that actually give voice to such accusations seldom remain in my company long enough to regret their impudence.

I can tolerate such behavior (to some degree) from long term friends who usually don't say such things without just cause.


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31 Jan 2016, 6:03 am

How do you even go about not tolerating it? The only way I know is by beating them up, and it requires being physically capable of doing it.


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31 Jan 2016, 7:03 am

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How do you even go about not tolerating it? The only way I know is by beating them up, and it requires being physically capable of doing it.


Beating them up... :|

Yeah, not really my thing.

Ultimately, my response would be measured in who the person is, what is their social standing, do they have any affiliations with external powers. If they're ranked similarly to or higher than myself, then usually it's a formal (but very polite) rebuttal, while taking note to invest in a little social skulduggery, usually to save face.

If they're (socially) beneath me, then in the great game of Social Engineering, -Social Exclusion- is the weapon of ultimate mass destruction. More often than not, just feigning it's use is more than enough, and in most case it can be done with nothing more than a single text, a whisper in the right ear, or even something as simple as unfriending them on Social Media.

You do have to be careful though, for some people "Social Exclusion" is worse than a death sentence, while for others it is a death sentence. Responsible use is highly advised, encouraged, and routinely enforced.


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31 Jan 2016, 7:26 am

Yes and it's good. It is even an asset because when you are "a stupid", you are not seen as a dangerous threat for their little competitive ambitions.



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31 Jan 2016, 7:41 am

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Yes and it's good. It is even an asset because when you are "a stupid", you are not seen as a dangerous threat for their little competitive ambitions.
Not true. And, what makes you say that it's 'little competitive ambitions?" Is there something wrong with ambition?


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31 Jan 2016, 7:42 am

You may not be seen as a serious threat, but you can still be seen as a petty threat, easy to publicly crush like a bug to show others how badass they are.


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31 Jan 2016, 8:06 am

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You may not be seen as a serious threat, but you can still be seen as a petty threat, easy to publicly crush like a bug to show others how badass they are.
Again, what is wrong with ambition? You did not address that.
The rest of what you describe is something out of a bad Dallas episode. People don't go around looking for the 'petty threat' to squash for the most part.

There are always as*holes. But, it's not everyday and everybody.

With that comment, I have to wonder if you've ever worked in the real world, because most of what you describe would not be tolerated because of fear of a lawsuit.


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