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11 Feb 2016, 10:00 pm

I dont think anyones really NT.. everyones got problems,

OCD
ADHD
Borderline Personality Disorder
Alcoholism
Generalized Anxiety Disorder
Schizophrenia
Social Communication Disorder
Dissociative Identity Disorder
Intelectual Disability
Dyslexia
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And everything inbetween! i mean really, no one can really be a true NT, Nuerodiversity...

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11 Feb 2016, 10:17 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:

Without the term NT we'd never have seen those parodies of the way we're portrayed in diagnostic manuals - the mythical "Neurotypical Syndrome." I thought they were quite funny. I think NT is a useful term, but like a knife it can be used to do harm as well as good.

I don't think I've seen these. Hm...youtube here I come!

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11 Feb 2016, 10:26 pm

AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:

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I don't think I've seen these. Hm...youtube here I come!

No videos that I know of, but there are links:
http://isnt.autistics.org/
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Neur ... l_syndrome

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11 Feb 2016, 10:28 pm

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I don't think villifying NTs as an "out-group that's not like us" is helpful for anyone, but acknowledging that we are largely separate from each other culturally, mentally, emotionally and behaviourally is what creates the "autism community", or any community of different individuals, such as the black, deaf, or homosexual community. I think this sense of connectedness with one's "own kind" so to speak is important and valuable, but being connected with others like us doesn't mean we have to reject those who aren't like us, namely NTs.

I'm not sure why blacks and homosexuals would be put in that same bracket in this day and age. I'm no sure the brackets help at all, and I think most of us would get by without a community if that was the case. There's people not on the spectrum who would have worse social problems than some on it. And I see a lot of people saying "oh this is an aspie trait", when it's just a human trait.

Because they're other examples of people who have their own sub-communities, formed by a history of abuse from people in the majority culture, and who still see discrimination today, just like aspies. I know that I for one would feel extremely lonely isolated, lonely, and different if there were no autistic community. On days when I feel misunderstood by my NT friends and family because they said or did something unkind or insensitive that rubbed my autism the wrong way, I come here to WP just to be around other people who I know will "get it".

And yes, all aspie traits are human traits, as aspies are humans, but they differ in degree and severity, so that the traits cause problems to aspies when they don't cause problems, or cause considerably fewer problems, for NTs

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11 Feb 2016, 10:35 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:

AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:

ToughDiamond wrote:

I don't think I've seen these. Hm...youtube here I come!

No videos that I know of, but there are links:
http://isnt.autistics.org/
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Neur ... l_syndrome

Ah, sorry, I am imagining words. For some reason I thought you mentioned a video :lol:

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Yes, I think I have seen that first link. It's pretty funny!

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11 Feb 2016, 10:37 pm

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I'm a human first, before I'm a woman, or an aspie, or a Filipino.

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11 Feb 2016, 11:53 pm

Words are all labels in themselves - a label for a thing. A description. That in itself is not harmful, it is meant to convey meaning. If you say "neurotypical," people understand what you are referring to.
Like others and the OP have said, it's when people use this to be divisive, discriminatory, elitist, derisive, etc that it becomes a problem. When people start to get into groups, take "teams," pick a "side," and use that to attack other people.
Personally I'm surprised to see so much of that on an autism site, as many autistic people don't understand the "groupthink" mentality much or relate to being part of any kind of group of people against another group. :shrug:
Edit - sorry I forgot to actually comment on the topic - agreed, "us and them" is not a helpful attitude at all.

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12 Feb 2016, 12:39 am

JohnPowell wrote:

I really don't believe that using terms like "NT's" to put the rest of the world into another bracket is very helpful. It just creates further divisions and alienation. The same happens with non white ethnic groups, religions, homosexuals and/or transsexuals. At the same time I sympathize with those who are on the low functioning end of the spectrum, but the majority of people would just assume that person was weird, and they would do the same with a different type of person who isn't on the spectrum. Not that "weird" really has a true meaning anyway. I feel that some of us have victim complexes (which may not be unjustified), but it isn't helping anyone, and plenty of people who aren't on the spectrum do as well.

Thoughts?

I agree completely too.

There is no Us vs Them.

Just Me vs the World

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12 Feb 2016, 2:45 am

I don't classify everyone not on the spectrum as NT, because NT stands for neuro-typical, and there are other disorders that can make a person not neurologically typical, like fragile-X, Dementia, mental retardation, the list goes on.

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12 Feb 2016, 7:10 am

Most of the time it feels like "Me and Everybody Else" to be honest :-(

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12 Feb 2016, 1:38 pm

killerBunny wrote:

yup

The whole use of nt is absurd. A term used dirisively that assumes everyone else is operating normally whatever that means. It assumes that ASD is somehow unique and on the upper echelon of neurodiversity. it implies you are somehow better. Which makes me wonder how many people on here just latch on to the label to satisfy some less sexy issue like low self esteem and narcissism. I also find the whole ASD scoring people add to their profiles asinine.

And even using that dubious term and what it is supposed to mean,
i struggle to understand how anyone that suffers with ASD would not want to be normal.

Person with ASD, probably smarter than you with those super powers nobody really cares about and would trade everything except maybe my hair to be not this. I guess that means neurotypical. That's me next to Elmo.

"I also find the whole ASD scoring people add to their profiles asinine." Me too.

"Which makes me wonder how many people on here just latch on to the label to satisfy some less sexy issue like low self esteem and narcissism." That's usually the case, I believe.

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12 Feb 2016, 1:42 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:

I just think we've been through different ages, we're now in the "label age".

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12 Feb 2016, 1:47 pm

StarTrekker wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

StarTrekker wrote:

With those groups forming their own "communities", like "black lives matter" etc, it just makes things worse. I don't see the same with sites like these, apart from the people who get angry at "NT's", as they don't do themselves any favors anyway. I know what you mean though.

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12 Feb 2016, 1:48 pm

EzraS wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

I agree completely too.

There is no Us vs Them.

Just Me vs the World

I have some people I feel like I can completely trust and rely on, mostly family.

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12 Feb 2016, 1:49 pm

GarTog wrote:

Most of the time it feels like "Me and Everybody Else" to be honest :-(

There's always people on here you can talk with.

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12 Feb 2016, 1:59 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

killerBunny wrote:

I suspect I am not the only one who finds this ironically comical in a thread that begins with many posts decrying generalizations.

I believe there is zero basis for making such a statement. I think it's pointlessly divisive and bound to stir up conflict.
Some people like stirring up conflict for it's own sake.

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