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28 Apr 2007, 12:32 pm

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Then how do you explain
(a) the healings in
'Let me hear your voice' by Catherine Maurice http://www.amazon.com/Let-Me-Hear-Your- ... 02&sr=8-1- due to intense hugging – and·
'Son-Rise by Barry Kaufman http://www.amazon.com/Son-Rise-Barry-Ne ... 449&sr=1-1 - by going to meet the child in their world.
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(b) the healing I am experiencing now?

How can you prove to me that AS is un-fixable?

Wouldn't you like to interact at a human, empathetic level?

For how long was mankind sure that the earth was flat?


Hmmm, well now that there's a book out there, I'm inclined to believe you. Oh, wait, I think Michael Trudeau has one that says you can cure AIDS with a lime/mango juice concoction!! ! Just because it's in a book doesn't make it true. We can learn how to compensate for AS, but because it is neurological, it cannot be "fixed." And it can't be fixed because of the concept "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." We are not broken, just different.

As for the empathy, I do function on it. My personality type is ENFP. Look it up.

Oh and the earth is flat deal? That was just the Europeans post-renaissance. The Nords knew the world wasn't flat. The Greeks and the Egyptians also knew the earth wasn't flat, and that was close to 2000 years before Christopher Columbus went on his rape & murder spree.


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28 Apr 2007, 12:32 pm

Richard that is the point ;
- down the AS route we live by rules, construct huge sets of rules to live by, it's HARD and it doesn't work that well or feel that good
- down the NT we don't need the rules; it just works. We feel the way. Instead of clinging to the chair, calculating every move, you're flying and easily.

ZanneMarie yep thanks, I'm not trying to claim or impose anything, just trying to offer a good thing that could help people get out from under the rock. Good for them, and good for those they love.



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28 Apr 2007, 12:35 pm

TruenoBlues you sound like an open guy with a blind spot on this one issue. You say "it is neurological" - please read my site! All the best all; our barbieq is ready....



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28 Apr 2007, 12:36 pm

No, I would not like to work on a human empathetic level.
Let some girl or some guy or some useless feeling that will go away in five minutes or so get in the way of building genius? Hahaha no, I'll pass thanks.



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28 Apr 2007, 12:36 pm

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Richard that is the point ;
- down the AS route we live by rules, construct huge sets of rules to live by, it's HARD and it doesn't work that well or feel that good
- down the NT we don't need the rules; it just works. We feel the way. Instead of clinging to the chair, calculating every move, you're flying and easily.

ZanneMarie yep thanks, I'm not trying to claim or impose anything, just trying to offer a good thing that could help people get out from under the rock. Good for them, and good for those they love.


The NT world is more constricting to free thought and ideas. End of story. Oh, and by your logic, homosexuality is a curable "disease," so even though their brains a wired different, they too can be fixed. Right or wrong?


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28 Apr 2007, 12:39 pm

You are not wired differently. Your wires may have a slightly different tilt. You could still use them the NT way. see the site. All best



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28 Apr 2007, 12:39 pm

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You are not wired differently. Your wires may have a slightly different tilt. You could still use them the NT way. see the site. All best


Because all NT's think just like YOU do too right?



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28 Apr 2007, 12:40 pm

You would still have the same thoughts and ideas. You would still be you. You'd just be using a paintbrush to do the oil painting, not a jackhammer



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28 Apr 2007, 12:41 pm

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You would still have the same thoughts and ideas. You would still be you. You'd just be using a paintbrush to do the oil painting, not a jackhammer


But INTJ's naturally do everything differently with or WITHOUT AS.
So even if I wasn't AS I would STILL not use your damn paintbrush.
If a jackhammer can prove more proficient in the idea I am trying to relay to the world, if the jackhammer will better my internal system and understanding than so be it. I'm using the jackhammer.



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28 Apr 2007, 12:43 pm

JCJC777 wrote:
You are not wired differently. Your wires may have a slightly different tilt. You could still use them the NT way. see the site. All best


I guess people with cerebral palsy just have to work on their "tilt" as well. Then they can walk and talk with no problem at all, right?



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28 Apr 2007, 12:43 pm

Just on the books, I come from an engineering background, and I'm interested in what works, not in theories. These books (have you read them?) seem to me to report something that's worked. I am experiencing something that works.



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28 Apr 2007, 12:44 pm

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Just on the books, I come from an engineering background, and I'm interested in what works, not in theories. These books (have you read them?) seem to me to report something that's worked. I am experiencing something that works.



And I'm interested in making THEORIES WORK.
Which is possible if you THINK.



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28 Apr 2007, 12:45 pm

Do you really believe you could choose to use a paintbrush - I believe you have the choice of using that or the jackhammer



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28 Apr 2007, 12:46 pm

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Do you really believe you could choose to use a paintbrush - I believe you have the choice of using that or the jackhammer


So do I, what the hell does this have to do with anything?



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28 Apr 2007, 12:47 pm

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You are not wired differently. Your wires may have a slightly different tilt. You could still use them the NT way. see the site. All best


I'm on your site now. Man, if my parents had been amongst the "poor me" masses, the would have followed your steps. And I would have chosen to end the pain. If you operate on "human empathy" (which, from watching 15 minutes of CNN, is given an almost mythical status), I'm sure you can figure out what that means. But my parents sought to understand and help me cope with AS.

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Just on the books, I come from an engineering background, and I'm interested in what works, not in theories. These books (have you read them?) seem to me to report something that's worked. I am experiencing something that works.


Hmm, I only see one idea on your site that works:
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IMAGINE THE WORLD THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE'S EYES.
(fire up your mirror neurons.)

You can't get there fully, but just taking a step towards imagining being in someone else's world is very powerful. Is she/he feeling happier or less happy than yesterday? Is there something that may be exciting or worrying her/him today?


All the rest is just piss-poor, no understanding drivel.


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28 Apr 2007, 12:48 pm

Use the jackhammer for what it's good for. Use the paintbrush when dealing with people - more communication, more love, more friendship, more empathy, more sharing, more fun